Jumping the rap sharkStarted 11 years ago by SactownConnection / toggle topic info
(Pre-Note: For those of y'all who've never heard the term, "jump the shark" is when a good thing goes bad... it was originally used for TV shows and the term came from a Happy Days episode where Fonzie literally jumped a shark, and people said that was the turning point for that series...)
I'm just curious how y'all feel about the following hip-hop/rap. If you don't want to do all of them, pick a few. Also, add some artists if you wanna know what we think...
For each artist, give me two things:
1) Say "Never were good", "Never went bad", or "Jumped the shark after [such and such album, etc.]"
2) Tell me your favorite track by the artist
Digable Planets: Never went bad, "The May 4th Movement"
Busta Rhymes: Jumped the shark after Extinction Level Event, "Abandon Ship"
People Under The Stairs: Never were good, all their tracks suck
My initial list (off the top of my head):
Eric B and Rakim
Black Eyed Peas
Snoop Doggy Dogg
A Tribe Called Quest
Kool Moe Dee
LL Cool J
Fresh Prince/Will Smith
Kool & The Gang
DJ Shadow> Jumped The Shark On> The Outsider
Technically, this is the same DJ Shadow, doing what he does, but the sound was so different. i can respect it as a quality album and him as a quality DJ tho, jus not my cup of tea, then again, its called "The Outsider" maybe shadow knew he wud get slated for it, and the intro talks about "one man standing alone".
sorry if the explanations a bit long, its just endtroducing and private press (his previous albums) are two very big albums in my life, n when i heard outsider, i dunno, heartbroken? shatterd? lol. im coming to grips with it slowly, and i listened to it recently and it sounded a bit better.
p.s. did fonzie actually jump a shark or did he beat up a loan shark, u know, happy days goes street life?
fonzie jumped over a shark on waterskis...
Danger Doom. Not enough albums to tell yet.
Gnarls Barkley. No one can top Crazy
The Beatnuts. Their new album sounds kinda garbage.
Black Eyed Peas. Jumped shark after the first two albums that no one heard.
Dr. Dre. Jumped shark when he started producing Eminem.
Ice Cube. Jumped shark after Barbershop 2, jumped off the deep end after Are We There yet.
Ice T. Muhfucka talked about killin' cops and now he plays one on Law and Order...that's some gangsta sheit.
Tupac. To be honest...B.I.G for me.
Jurassic 5. Jumped Shark on Feedback.
Cypress Hill. After Temples Boom
Notorious B.I.G. Legendary, always.
Blackalicious: Jumped shark after not making any more albums
A Tribe Called Quest: Legendary.
Eminem: Right after he won Scribble Jam and got signed. Hahah playin' but really, after the Eminem Show.
Fresh Prince/Will Smith: Gangsta on the level of Ice-T
James Brown: He's the f***ing GODFATHER OF SOUL!
Beck: Modern Guilt isn't rich enough for my tastes...needs to be weirder.
Radiohead: On that next sh!t always.
Stereolab: I love all their albums.
RJD2> Jumped the shark> The Third Hand
Ugly Duckling >jumped the shark> Bang for your buck (contraversial, but there was only a couple of tunes i liked on that album)
Psychedelicatessan said: fonzie jumped over a shark on waterskis...
wow! sounds like a turning point, shocking.
is there a term 4 say, jumping the shark, but you still liking them? cos i thought Outcast were good, then they released Idlewild and got generally slated, it was a loveit/hate it album, but i thought it was a really good album.
trenchmc said: Blackalicious: Jumped shark after not making any more albums
this has to STOP.
Has Blackalicious broken up or something?
trenchmc said: Has Blackalicious broken up or something?I don't think they ever officially broke up, I think Gab just wanted to take the time to do some other collaborative (Mighty Underdogs) and solo (Escape 2 Mars) stuff. I still get e-mails from "Giftstribution" all the time ever since I ordered the "Supreme Lyricism" Mixtape a few years back (which was pretty good).
What I've heard from the Mighty Underdogs and Gab's new album doesn't sound as interesting to me as the other stuff (Blackalicious albums, 4th Dimensional Rocketships Going Up, etc.), so I hope a new Blackalicious album is forthcoming, because I feel like Gab is sorta going in a direction that is reminiscent of J5's "Verbal Gunfight" and "Linguistics" tracks, which to my mind, were a precursor of Feedback, which I didn't like...
Quannum has certainly lost some of it's luster in recent years... I'm seriously not trying to put it down, but... you can take your music in "new directions" all you want, but it's a huge risk because you alienate your old fans and you might not even get the new fanbase you were looking for. I would be interested to see how many new fans Shadow got with his hyphy album and what Gab's new album sales look like, 'cause when they did Entroducing and Blazing Arrow and all that, they were doing great. I haven't heard Lyrics Born's new stuff either... is it any good?
I also don't know what Lateef The Truthspeaker is up to lately... I liked his flows...
There was a cool Lateef + Fatboy Slim collaboration on "The Journey" (on Palookaville), you should go check it out... I'm not down with all of Fatboy Slim's stuff, but some of it is aight. I think Bootsy guested on the same album...
Blazing Arrow is THE sh!t.
we need more of that stuff.
A bit surpised nobody, stated this one.
Kanye West, jumped the shark (partially on Graduation, T-Pain, Lil Wayne) on 808s & Heartbreak.
Best song: very difficult, the man does have quite a few dope tracks.
Maybe: Two Words, Never Let Me Down, Family Business, Bring me Down, Through The Wire, Jesus Walks, Touch The Sky, The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, Diamonds From...
Some dope tracks on Graduation too.
Dope thread, Sactown.
Blazing arrow----Great album or THE Greatest album?
themusicaldope said: Blazing arrow----Great album or THE Greatest album?I think that the reason why the term "classic" was created was to take into account the fact that we humans seem to have a "best" threshold, above which, every album is the best, so the term "classic" was used instead 'cause it didn't imply a single album like "best" does. Did I confuse y'all?
Anyway, Bizarre Ride II, Blazing Arrow, Question in the Form of an Answer, Goin' Off, Paid In Full... there are a grip of "bests" in my book, and Blazing Arrow is DEFINITELY on there. Chemical Calisthenics is one of the most innovative tracks I've ever heard.
Do you all think Tupac ever jumped the shark? I'm curious to see if you think it was while he was alive, after he was dead, or when he actually died...
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