I'll be at both if anybody else is going!
I'll be at the Oakland show for sure. Would love to go to Santa Cruz too, but not sure if I can work that out.
Haven't heard anything about preorders or anything. Hopefully pt.2 will be available at the show.
While I agree it would be great to get some sort of confirmation about #2 from Thes and Double, I really don't see the upside of taking preorders (unless it helps them offset the pressing/production costs and means they don't have to delve deeper into their own pockets).
I completely understand folks wanting to secure their copy/copies early on and being very excited about the new record, I simply don't get the obsession with preorders nowadays:
Why put money down weeks or months in advance with the possibility of unforseen delays etc. etc. instead of simply selling/buying the finished product once it's ready and available????
(Again, I see why small labels and independent artists might have to use preorders to help finance their ventures, but big labels and corporations are simply using it for their own advantage and as a means to get their hands on peoples $€£ ASAP..! Overall preorders aren't really for the customers benefit.)
I agree for the most part, especially with digital downloads. Why would you ever need to preorder for a digital copy? Never understood that. Other than that it's just to generate hype, or helps with the corporate numbers. (I actually did preorder 12SP on itunes but that was only because Thes told me to).
Definitely good for something like this that probably won't be in the stores, and for special edition vinyl and the like that has a limited release. Pretty sure pt. 1 on vinyl sold out through preorders, or at least they were gone by the time of the SF release show. But even then there's really only a handful of artists worth preordering special editions and limited releases for.
You're right though, as long as I can get it I don't need to secure it early.
Really don't want to de-rail the thread any further with my thoughts on this issue, so if you like we can continue via PM. (Or if there's sufficient general interest in the matter I suppose we could open a separate topic to discuss the pros and cons..?)
Let me just close the issue here by saying I completely understand if the P do end up taking preorders for TGOS#2 as Chris and Mike are obviously paying for any and all expenses out of their own pockets, which entitles them to recouping their dough as soon as possible. I have a feeling however that the apparenmt lack of recent updates may well mean that they're looking to simply drop the new record out of the blue once it's 100% finished and ready to be sent out (#looksreadytome) like some of the more savvy and customer friendly labels have started doing.
For example I have the utmost respect for Redefinition Records, who intentionally changed their release policy a good while ago to eliminate any and all preorders and long term announcements in favor of giving fans products which are immediately available. A lot of others out there who seem more than happy to take people's money weeks and months in advance only to "reward" them by conferring some of the uncertainties that go along with pressing records and meeting release dates unto their customers should take note! (I can think of one label in particular that we've discussed on here who're notorious for doing this, consistently failing to meet the dates they've set themselves yet expecting folks to bear with them like it's no big deal...)
That being said I'm REALLY looking forward to the 2nd EP.
With pre-orders, I believe Thes had a rant about this for 12 Step Program. The pre-orders give them some sort of "proof" that they are in demand and helps with booking shows. I think with TGOS1, it helped in offsetting the manufacturing costs. I imagine it works like this: "Hey, pressing plant! We have $10,000 in receivables coming in so can get $10,000 worth of manufacturing done?" With digital downloads, for someone like me, pre-ordering on iTunes is helpful because the albums download automatically so I can listen to them first thing in the morning or whenever. More of a convenience I guess.
I think Thes touched on this in a Vevo interview short as well as possibly one of the Facebook video posts he did before TGOS1.
IIRC, like Martin mentioned, he said something to the extent of the music itself is a loss leader given time and financial costs to put out a record (sadly). They make the real money touring and it requires less time/money but the sales figures help dictate their bookings.
Pre-orders are a classic sales strategy (discaimer: I work in 'e-business'). I'd wager that 90+% of P album sales come in the pre-order period and on the day of release exclusively (and then the demand curve dives after that).
Thes also mentioned he can only get 1% of social followers to convert to a purchase. That seems low but is actually quite good, especially since there is no advertising budget.
yes! but when is it out!!!
it's this month isn't it (so, May)
Can't be long now - this fresh in from Thes on Instagram:
piecelock70 It's done. #graciassenoresquelito #hardasfuck #ihavenomorecalciumsleft
piecelock70 Not for nothing, but Double may have dropped the hardest verse of all time. You've been warned
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Just spoke with Thes today... coming soon, folks!!
yes! but when is it out!!!
20th April!! sh!t that's only 4 days away!!! Whaaaaaat!!
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