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SactownConnection

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Posted 2 years ago #

Side note:
When I mentioned that some people had asked about hats/shirts/etc., he said that for the short-term, they might not happen because there is only so much he can take care of right now. Basically, what I think I'm getting from him is that "Piecelock70" was a great concept, but there wasn't enough hours in the day to juggle both that and PUTS and the rest of his life, so he had to stop after a while, and doing things like merchandising was some of the hardest work to finish.

He could've delegated it out, but he was concerned about the integrity of the product, which is hard to maintain when you're a smaller group trying to do things independently. Even OM couldn't get Carried Away vinyl pressed right (remember the skip in All Good Things?). It's unfortunate that the fans only see the end product and whether something gets released because there's always a monumental effort behind even something as simple as a T-shirt. I think this also holds true for getting other things pressed, like AMV2 or other things. When he's ready, I'm sure he'll be contacting the right people, but he'll probably be a stickler for oversight and want to give it the time it deserves. He's just in full TGOS2 mode right now.

He DID mention after the Oakland show that he is still COMPLETELY serious about getting Wonderful Radio finished and out. He said that they have so much from those sessions that he wants to share with everyone. So his eye is still on the ball... BUT... one thing at a time.

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SactownConnection

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Posted 2 years ago #

Oakland show:
Thes and Double were still a little high from the Santa Cruz show when they rolled up to New Parish. (Thes said he feels like he inhaled 20 different weed varities in 5 different smoke forms... he felt like he and Mike had been blunted, vaped, bonged, waxed, etc., haha.) I actually got there before they did, and the opener (Melina Jones... super cool person) let me into the place. Thes called ahead and had me go buy Mike a pack of cigs and some zig-zags, and as I walked back, I met them coming in.

Mike was HURTING from hearing of Prince's passing that morning (he was actually calling some family members to make sure they were doing okay), and Thes bought a new purple shirt and purple shoes for the show in tribute. (The shoes actually gave him a little trouble during his usual Running Man dance on stage tho, haha.) They quickly threw together some musical tributes to Prince (I put up one of them from the soundcheck on my IG: pmuny... I also got a good backstage shot of the homies on there), and Thes even pulled out a little blasphemy (right on!) and said "God... you trippin!" at the beginning of Trippin' at the Disco. haha. Guess he wasn't happy with losing Phife and Prince in such short order. Thes was actually doing some good oration at both shows.

I met ILikeBeer from the PUTS forums at the show (good to see ya, man!).

Also, for the first time, I had a girl try to flirt me up since she'd seen me backstaging with the PUTS. Yo, baby, wassup?

I feel like the Oakland show performances were a little cleaner than the Santa Cruz show (probably 'cause there was less weed smoke flowing through the place), and the Prince tributes really made it (musical) dope.

We talked a bit backstage about the Stepfather era, and Thes said that he's actually got more copies of the CD/DVD Stepfather combo than like anything else because one of the Basement Records guys had hoarded away a ton of them in a storage facility, and Thes had never known until he got a letter some years later that said "you have 24 hours to remove your items from the facility or we're going to Storage Wars your sh*t!" I guess that same dude tried had come to the show that night, and was trying to link up with Thes. (Needless to say, Thes wasn't too interested.)

After the show, I was also showing Double and Thes the "Snippets and Shenanigans" Stepfather promo (from my iPhone)... I guess they hadn't listened to it in a long time, and they were dying laughing at the promo's intro, when the moog sample kicks in in the background (Thes couldn't even remember where they got that moog track from, but it's a separate layer from the speaking... "Hey, what's with the faces???".)

Double also didn't know that that AC the PD guy had had his solo demo stuff (and Tha Brothaload stuff) up on the web for so long, so he was amazed when I whipped it all out for him. I actually sent it to him later so he could listen to it. He said that he's still got all the original tapes, but he doesn't have it mixed down, so he appreciated the listen. (He's pissed at AC tho... he gave it to that guy in confidence, and none of it was ready for primetime.) He said that a lot of his demo stuff was recorded while he was druggin' hard. (He said that, for one of Kidd Lexus' tracks, he remembers feeling like he just floated on air over to the console and made the beat in like a few minutes.)

So that was that, and after a while, I headed back home. Both nights were quality shows, yet again, and I'm looking forward to trying to hit up more. I agree with everyone on here that it would be cool for them to bring merch next time around, if they can, and I REALLY hope they can get some TGOS2 in the set list, 'cause this new one is fresh!
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Posted 2 years ago #

One last thing, and this is the craziest thing yet. I need the forum's help on this!

One little nugget Thes dropped on me at the Santa Cruz show (and we've talked about it a couple times since) is the fact that there is a hidden riddle in TGOS2. I have no clue what Thes means by this, but it seems like some heavy sh*t.

He said the only one that has solved it so far is DJ Day & Day's son (but they had a little prompting from Thes). Whatever this riddle is, it's not in the first EP, only in TGOS2, and when you discover what it is, it makes all (I think) of the tracks open up to you in a new way. I don't know if it's a hidden message or what, but I guess Thes said that "it affected Day emotionally when he figured it out."

Thes put up an Instagram about it last Wednesday, but then took it down when some people started being idiots about "solving it already (too easy, you suck)" and things like that. (Thes is 100% sure that no one else has solved it.) He said that you should seek out the source for the soundbyte at the end of one of the tracks, and he gave me three words to look up to try and find out which one: "bahamas" "christian" "dead".

I found the soundbyte (I'll let you guys find it independently... post it if you get it!), and the message in the full clip is a powerful one, but I when I tried to tell Thes what I thought the possible solutions to the "riddle" were based on what I heard, he asked me another question that's got me even more confused. See if you can find the first part (the clip), and then I'll post the question Thes asked me, and we'll see if we can get to this together.

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MrQc

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Posted 2 years ago #

Hmmm interesting..., I love a riddle do I'll look into that. Just got the DL from iTunes so my heavy rotation can become a little heavy....looking forward to playing Pt1 & Pt2 back to back to see how they flow together.

In terms of new merch....it would be nice & I would definitely be up for picking some up but with only so many hours in the day I can understand why it doesn't happen. I'd rather the music was made than a Tshirt.

Right....lets see about that riddle ????
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Posted 2 years ago #

When I mentioned that some people had asked about hats/shirts/etc., he said that for the short-term, they might not happen because there is only so much he can take care of right now. Basically, what I think I'm getting from him is that "Piecelock70" was a great concept, but there wasn't enough hours in the day to juggle both that and PUTS and the rest of his life, so he had to stop after a while, and doing things like merchandising was some of the hardest work to finish.
Makes sense; the only reason I was really itching for it was so I could give them dollars directly. I work in e-commerce and know how much Thes hates packing and shipping sh!t. I'd be happy to help him out if he's ever looking for it. But like MrQC, the music is most important.

Interesting to hear all the backstage stuff I didn't see both nights (but especially context why there wasn't new stuff in the set).

Guess he wasn't happy with losing Phife and Prince in such short order. Thes was actually doing some good oration at both shows.
Rob Ford, too! Saw that on the setlist both nights but didn't get played.

We talked a bit backstage about the Stepfather era, and Thes said that he's actually got more copies of the CD/DVD Stepfather combo than like anything else
I'd probably buy another copy; I'm sure if he and Mike signed them and put them up they'd move fast.

"Snippets and Shenanigans" Stepfather promo (from my iPhone)... I guess they hadn't listened to it in a long time, and they were dying laughing at the promo's intro, when the moog sample kicks in in the background (Thes couldn't even remember where they got that moog track from, but it's a separate layer from the speaking... "Hey, what's with the faces???".
Ahhh, I still haven't heard this.

'm looking forward to trying to hit up more.
Same; they're doing a bunch of more Cali shows and I've seen three so far in 2016. Might make a jaunt up to PNW for Seattle/Portland. My girlfriend doesn't get it; I feel like there's only so many more times I'm able to see them live and it's so much god damn fun.

I found the soundbyte (I'll let you guys find it independently... post it if you get it!), and the message in the full clip is a powerful one, but I when I tried to tell Thes what I thought the possible solutions to the "riddle" were based on what I heard, he asked me another question that's got me even more confused. See if you can find the first part (the clip), and then I'll post the question Thes asked me, and we'll see if we can get to this together.
I'm guessing the reference about absence and if you don't go away you won't be great?

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Ryan

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Posted 2 years ago #

Also, what's the backstory on the design/direction of TGOS2 cover since you helped out that? I feel like they're inevitably linked.
esomedina

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Posted 2 years ago #

So, here's my crack at the riddle from "Back From The Dead"

I found the clip:
https://youtu.be/n-2wN_Szcos

There's also the Altered Beast soundbite "Rise from the dead" and the video game has a message that reads "I command you to rise from your grave and rescue my daughter" which I'm not sure how much ties to Thes' son.
https://youtu.be/hihEhsdwiIk

There is also the horn sample from Eric Reed and Willie Jones III's song titled "The Thorn" made famous by Kendrick Lamar's "Rigomortis"
https://youtu.be/TstRwZygLAo

The message from Pastor Myles Munroe is that possessions don't matter, it's the people that matter. That a true leader works themselves out of a job, making themselves irrelevant because they mentored the next leader. In order for the people to be great, the leader must leave. It's not what you leave behind but the mark you leave behind, which ties into the next song "Graffiti On a High School Wall"

With the TGOS2 album cover showing them fading away much like the Back To The Future pic Thes posted on his Instagram along with the title of the EPs, The Gettin' Off Stage, is this really The P bowing out? Are they mentoring and positioning Villain Park or other artists tied to them to take the reigns of the organization? There really is no mention of passing the torch though.

So, help me figure this out. Sactown, what's the second question?

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My wife and I are sitting here trying to figure this out. After listening to "Back From The Dead" again, Thes mentions he feels like Sisyphus. Sisyphus was punished to roll an immense boulder up a hill only to watch it roll back down and repeat over and over. Does Thes feel like the work put into releasing his art isn't as rewarding since it never reaches the top?

Then again, I remember Sactown saying this EP was made after some trying times Thes and Double K went through. That this EP would be "darker" and different. Which brings up Thes' reference to a chrysalis. After going through what they went through, is this EP a new beginning/them being reborn? A new PUTS? The end of the PUTS as we know them and a new awakening of the force (The P).
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"Myles Munroe, OBE (20 April 1954 – 9 November 2014) was a Bahamian Evangelical Christian evangelist and ordained Pentecostal minister who founded and led the Bahamas Faith Ministries International (BFMI) and Myles Munroe International (MMI). Munroe died with his wife and 8 others in a private plane crash on 9 November 2014."
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"Atahualpa, also Atahuallpa, Atabalipa (in hispanicized spellings) or Atawallpa (Aymara and Quechua)[2][3] (c.1500–26 July 1533) was the last Sapa Inca (sovereign emperor) of the Inca Empire (Tawantinsuyu) before the Spanish conquest. Atahualpa became emperor when he defeated and executed his older half-brother Huáscar in a civil war sparked by the death of their father, Inca Huayna Capac, from an infectious disease (possibly smallpox).[4]

During the Spanish conquest, the Spaniard Francisco Pizarro captured Atahualpa and used him to control the Inca Empire. Eventually, the Spanish executed Atahualpa, effectively ending the empire."
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Malta, an archipelago in the central Mediterranean between Sicily and the North African coast, is a nation known for historic sites related to a succession of rulers including the Romans, Moors, Knights of St. John, French and British."
SactownConnection

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Posted 2 years ago #

Right on! Yeah, where eso went with it is sorta where I was going with it too... But then Thes asked: "did you see how Myles died"?

Not sure how that fits in (it was a plane crash). So I'm wondering about that... I mean, the beginning of After These Messages is on a plane, so maybe that's another tie in to how this really could be the final end... Like... The last song of the EP really is the last song of PUTS.

But if that's true... does that mean we're seeing another group starting? Solo careers?

It's that paradox that's confusing me. Thes and Double have always said "Forever The P", and they said they'll be right back after these messages, so... They ar going to keep going, but they're gonna stop??? I'm thinking its gotta be a name change or a mentoring situation...

Maybe the third EP will be under a different name? Maybe a Speakerboxx/Love Below thing with them doing separates??? I have no idea, but it's wild... Maybe I should drop Thes into this convo and see what he says, haha
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Posted 2 years ago #

I always had a feeling that these TGOS ep's might be the end of it for PUTS. I thought there was going to be a 3rd & as the three combine to make the 10th album that was going to be it. I hope not but the BTTF reference on the cover points to something, if there is a 3rd then maybe it'll just be the background. Also the title of the EP's does seem to suggest an end of some type.......
Ryan

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Posted 2 years ago #

I called out Myles Monroe and Graffiti to Thes on IG.

His reply:

piecelock70 Win. Now the significance of track 6 is the final unlock
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Posted 2 years ago #

You guys are super sleuths.
Lyrically track 6 points to a break. Thes' verse seems to point to a stop but Double's verse suggests a pause. Or is that too literal...??
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Posted 2 years ago #

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piecelock70 You got it

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