No need to fullquote each and every post when there's only a handful of replies to the topic or you're directly responding to someone
truth be told we're really only talking about VMP here, aren't we?
Nope, but perhaps I was too liberal with my usage of the term ROTM club. Although yes, I did get a 3 month VMP sub off the back of the Little Beaver vinyl, people don't actually have to be a member of the club to buy many of the vinyls there. Regardless, there are other 'unique' vinyl retailers who have exclusive limited edition pressings of albums (such as Newbury Comics) that I have bought from before. If VMP being the biggest and most corporate ROTM club is too much to bear, there are plenty of others that have added benefits for the artists and consumers.
I'll admit there's probably plenty of newer/younger/casual fans who'd love to get their hands on brand new represses
...yep, and that was one of, if not my main key point. I'd love to see the P get a new write up, wherever that may be, potentially bringing them new fans and exposure. We probably all had favourite bands that we enjoyed more when they were 'smaller' or not as famous, then they blow up, everyone likes them, and the magic is kinda gone. This isn't something that can happen with the P (they already retired!)...
I'm talking about that feeling you get when you share something with someone and they 'get' it. My cousin and close friend for example, I lent them my CD of OST, and then I get messages like BOOM "this is f***ing great" etc... I just like the idea of some new cats doing the same thing with music I love.
It would be great if Piecelock did repressings of original albums, but it seems that is unlikely to happen, and even if it did, it would only really satisfy those already in the PUTS orbit (existing fans). I think that's mainly where I'm coming from, I love the P, I just would love more people to be able to hear and know about them, and nowadays, getting a spotlight through such Record Club services (I guess which is evil) can do that.
let's not pretend like 'O.S.T.' or any other part of the P's back catalogue are "long lost" or obscure in any way
You're putting words in my mouth. I don't consider PUTS to be obscure whatsoever, I was simply extolling the benefits of how a record clubs can bring attention to lesser known, or out of print albums. OST falls into the latter.
They mostly press candy colored records
I'm not sure if you bought any PUTS vinyl, but if you have, I'm sorry those PUTS candy coloured or marble swirl releases of the latter years weren't for you. Hell yeah they look damn fine. I'm proud to own them, but hey I guess I'm not enough of a purist.
It's also notable VMP have absolutely butchered certain releases through their lack of investment in them or any kind of quality control
I don't really want to get hung up on VMP as being the only record club in existence, but here we are... Reddit exists, and yes, the community have made complaints about some
of the releases, however, the admins are in regular contact, and it appears
that the pressing can vary depending on the release. As an example, De Stijl was pressed at Third Man Records. It doesn't seem as though VMP are simply churning out release after release from the same pressing plant with no care. White Stripes are massive though, so they'll probably have more sway over how their catalogue is pressed, but I don't think the average VMP repress is quite the shitshow you're making it out to be.
Why should an opportunistic "outsider" like VMP (or OM, the label the P have had a difficult/strained relationship with over time) be allowed to (further) capitalize on all of their hard work?
...because of "newer/younger/casual fans who'd love to get their hands on brand new represses".
All of this depends on what they (PUTS) really want. This isn't an exact science, but I would hope that a reissue of OST, through a record club may capture the minds and hearts of some 'newer/younger/casual fans' who would then go on to discover more of the PUTS catalogue independently (from which the P can gain more benefit) - ofcourse, this may or may not happen. On the offchance that some new fans come on board (who were unfortunate to miss out on the P first time round) then atleast there is a chance Thes and K could make something out of it further down the line.
people suddenly want a piece of them/to jump on the bandwagon and/or the back catalogue presented to them on a silver platter?
I used to have a similar mentality about represses. Lets say I spent $100+ on the original OST from that dude on eBay, then a few months or years later I see it repressed on a ROTM club. I probably woulda been pissed. That's not the way to think about it though, and my views have evolved over time regarding represses.
An owner of an official repress is simply that, an owner of an official 'copy', hence the lower value - So, if I bought the original, I would always have that original, that fact can't be taken away from me, and I believe that is the more valuable commodity - I would always prefer to have the original wax, but that isn't always possible due the extortionate prices of resellers.
I'm sure most guitarists would prefer to own an original 1962 Fender Strat, but they would be hard to come by or impossibly expensive. Having to make do with a 'reissue' doesn't devalue the original product, if anything, it increases it - why should that person not be able to play a guitar based on a classic design even though it's made in the present day? Should we begrudge them of that?
That's right, selfishly ofcourse I would like OST to be repressed, because I don't really want to give some stranger on the internet obscene money for the original wax, a transaction in which the P certainly gain nothing (I dunno, unless the eBay seller is gonna reach out and split the profits with Thes or something).
I don't know about bandwagon jumping and silver platter talk, I think that's an OTT reaction to simply wanting more PUTS available to newer, casual and existing fans. Certain people and older heads can get particularly precious or sometimes pretentious about newer fans, repressings or forms of distribution who see it as some sort of attack on the culture, which to me seems just a bit narrow minded and crusty. Some people wanna just keep something for themselves and they don't want other people to play with their toy, or be in their exclusive club.
I just hope for more of the P's discography to be available for myself, existing fans, and distributed in a way (at a reasonable price) so that new fans can come in and appreciate them in the same way that you and I do - my suggestion was via ROTM clubs. Perhaps you can offer another solution. Or maybe, you don't want it to happen full stop, and the only way people stumble upon the P is organically through word of mouth or a Spotify algorithm, it ain't 2005 tho.
Hey, maybe even the P are just cool where they are, and are happy not to rerelease any of their catalogue to new and existing fans, which is cool I guess, I respect whatever they do.
You been a member of this forum for 10 years, myself 15 years - this isn't meant as a competition statistic, but to illustrate that we are clearly both long time supporters of the PUTS. I even got Thes' wedding mixtape CD (Mithai) back in the day I was such a completionist and fan. I bought tickets to some London festival they were meant to be a part of, but then they weren't (it was kind of a scam by the promoter I think) and I cancelled my tix based on their non-appearance. We are both massive fans of the P no doubt, but as your opening statement alludes:
I doubt we will come to any kind of agreement or compromise here, given that our respective opinions are diametrically opposed
We'll just have to agree to disagree.