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YoYoPo

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Posted 3 months ago #

yeah promotion and distribution most likely. Also as ever (and probably more-so during covid times) the pressing plants are very hard to get a manufacturing slot with. I imagine VMP have a booked slot in permanently to get their monthly releases together, so maybe they just provided Thes with a hook-up to actually get in pressed in a reasonble time frame?

Maybe once it's actually been released and the air's cleared a bit, we can ask Thes more details about it!

Personally I ordered the black vinyl. Although limited editions are nice I think the green will be less reliable in terms of sound quality and I'm no longer a completist so I can do without another piece of plastic stencil...

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Posted 3 months ago #

sidenote - we gotta reboot the original OST promo video: FINDING BIN LADEN
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Posted 3 months ago #

Pressing records/getting records pressed:
(I'll try to not stray too far off course with this.)

The last "independently" pressed PUTS release was 'TGOS, Step 1' if I'm not mistaken. (Feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong.)
This was shortly before Thes linked up with Redefinition Records and introduced to/subsequently started using Redef's network.

I believe Thes was using a small, local pressing plant up until then, was heavily involved and further educating/familiarizing himself with the (hands on) process of pressing vinyl. I vividly recall him streaming footage from said plant on IG at the time, feeding us details on having picked out unique color combinations of raw PVC pellets to create custom colored vinyl. I wanna say this applied to everything from 'Highlighter' through the dual '12SP' colors and the (quadruple) rainbow of marbled ThanksGiveback LPs for the LA + SF shows...

Everything since the battleship grey TGOS#1 vinyl has been going through Redef's affiliates, the broker service Pirates Press (who act as intermediaries between artists/labels and actual pressing plants) and - you guessed it - GZ Vinyl in the Czech Republic. (The current reissue/VMP pressing didn't go through Pirates Press, but instead through AtoZMusic; essentially the same kind of broker service. I gleaned this information from the test pressings that were recently sold. From the photos - I didn't purchase an actual TP myself. )

So why use GZ? The short answer is probably because they're one of - if not THE - largest pressing plant remaining in operation worldwide (and one of the first/only ones to invest heavily in new vinyl presses). I'd assume this is reflected in their availability, overall efficiency and pricing. They definitely offer a lot of the fancier (labor/cost intensive) specialty pressings and colors most smaller plants don't/cant provide.
What's interesting is that GZ owns + operates a subsidiary pressing plant/company, Precision Record Pressing in Canada, which might have enabled them to press the OST reissue in North America. However PRP had a major fire some time earlier this year, so might not have been in operation at the time.

I fully agree with YoYoPo that pressing records in Europe, shipping them halfway around the planet to the US, only to have them reimported through "exclusive" stateside retailers is madness - mega inefficient, needlessly expensive + environmentally irresponsible at the very least! The mind boggles.

There may already be efforts underway by European retailers/distributors (possibly Fat Beats as well) to address this problem and get newly minted records delivered straight into their hands from European pressing plants rather than shipping them around the world first, but the widespread business trend of (and customer's insatiable demand for) mega exlusive/"limited" releases certainly isn't helping with this!
Hence my suggestion the other day to let retailers and distributors do their job and buy/order (the OST reissue) locally, cutting out unnecessary efforts + expenses for everyone as well as potentially freeing up funds that might be donated straight to the P instead.

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Posted 3 months ago #

I just got a message about my items being shipped and part of the email states, "All profits from this sale go towards the self funding this LP, and I thank you for helping us stay fully independent!"

So maybe that sheds a bit of light on this conversation? At any rate, I am really stoked on this release. All the hard work Thes and KK have put into making this a reality is unfathomable!

YoYoPo said:
sidenote - we gotta reboot the original OST promo video: FINDING BIN LADEN

Dood I tried finding it on YouTube and it looks like it was removed. Would love to see a reboot!!
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Posted 3 months ago #

Yeah maybe that puts my wild imagination at rest. So they only made a collab with VMP to get the vinyl out sooner through their networks? That's, well, I guess a decision. I don't like RSD and I don't like vinyl clubs adding more pressure to already overworked vinyl plants and smaller, independent record labels having a hard time having their product pressed, I'll leave it at that.

I asked vinyldigital.de about their release date, is it correct etc., and they replied "Yes that's correct. The US Version should be released on the 20th of November and the EU version sadly on the 31st of December" - any thoughts on this?
Twelve

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Posted 3 months ago #

AndyMak said:
I just got a message about my items being shipped and part of the email states, "All profits from this sale go towards the self funding this LP, and I thank you for helping us stay fully independent!"

So maybe that sheds a bit of light on this conversation? At any rate, I am really stoked on this release. All the hard work Thes and KK have put into making this a reality is unfathomable!

I would certainly lean towards counting this as additional evidence that everything regarding the reissue originated with PUTS, they paid for (financed/dunded) everything and are now recouping their (considerable) investment.

They likely decided/agreed to "partner" with VMP on their own terms, quite possibly because VMP had expressed interest in re-releasing the album on their own. (If this is true you should be thanking Thes for the colored VMP variant, not VMP for "being cool with" a cheaper general release...)
Listening to Thes speaking about remaining relevant and reaching out to new/different/nontraditional audiences touring with/opening for Mac Miller and playing festivals and rodeos during the podcast, it might have been the aim to create another lane/outlet through this partnership/collaboration as well as taking advantage of VMP's "infrastructure". Again, this is my interpretation - they didn't really talk about VMP during the podcast interview.
(Anyone else find the host's obsequious manner and constant y'all-ing a bit annoying BTW? It's the same [soundcloud] rapper who wrote the initial VMP blurb [and once opened for PUTS - without having a clue who they were at the time... ] )
Twelve

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AndyMak said:

YoYoPo said:
sidenote - we gotta reboot the original OST promo video: FINDING BIN LADEN

Dood I tried finding it on YouTube and it looks like it was removed. Would love to see a reboot!!

You guys realize that Pat transcribed the whole thing, right..?*

Not the same as being able to watch the full animated video of course, but probably as close as we'll get at this point.

I don't want to make this sound unnecessarily political (because I don't think it was ever intended as a political statement or commentary), my recollections of watching the promo clip back then are decidedly hazy, but I reckon it might be for the best that this is no longer available to watch anywhere.

It's notable they never followed through with a second part or conclusion (for whatever reason; deteriorating relationship with OM perhaps?), but anything related to the ongoing War on Terror at the time (the actual search for Bin Laden, smartbombs, collateral damage, casualties and all) might have been politicized, misunderstood or seemed insensitive, even if it was only intended as a joke... What I mean to say is: this probably hasn't aged particularly well and might have sparked controversy. People are so easily upset nowadays, turning even imagined slights into full blown crusades.

* Wouldn't the "Swinging through battles like lightsabers with beta" line make more sense as "lighsabers with Vader" BTW?
It's part of Thes' rap at the beginning of the OST Remix...

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AndyMak

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Twelve said:

It's notable they never followed through with a second part or conclusion (for whatever reason; deteriorating relationship with OM perhaps?), but anything related to the ongoing War on Terror at the time (the actual search for Bin Laden, smartbombs, collateral damage, casualties and all) might have been oliticized, misunderstood or seemed insensitive, even if it was only intended as a joke... What I mean to say is: this probably hasn't aged particularly well and might have sparked controversy. People are so easily upset nowadays, turning even imagined slights into full blown crusades.

Yeah Twelve, you're definitely right on that front. As goofy and wacky as it would be to see it come back...it probably wouldn't go over that well.
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JJH said:
I don't like RSD and I don't like vinyl clubs adding more pressure to already overworked vinyl plants and smaller, independent record labels having a hard time having their product pressed, I'll leave it at that.

Same. I don't care for the fact that it's all (to an overwhelming degree anyway) about gimmicks, overpriced, "exclusive" novelty items and short lived hype. It seems to be more about the (annual, then bi-annual, soon to be monthly... ) pseudo event or the record club than about the participating stores, the records (music; artists) or the customer (fan).
I also see an inherent contradiction in supposedly making music more available to the people again only to immediately place new (arbitrary) restrictions on it like having to queue up outside a particular store at 8am on a particular Friday, join (subscribe to) a club and/or pay artificially inflated premium prices.
So much for it being more egalitarian anyway...

JJH said:
I asked vinyldigital.de about their release date, is it correct etc., and they replied "Yes that's correct. The US Version should be released on the 20th of
November and the EU version sadly on the 31st of December" - any thoughts on this?

Not to sound like I'm contradicting Vinyl-Digital, but any and all information they can give you depends on what they're themselves being told by their distro contacts (which is a decidedly flawed, often unreliable system in my experience).
I'm neither convinced there will be another pressing, nor that there are/will be different US and EU versions. Technically all copies are pressed in CZ by an US label...

It's much more likely that the different "release dates" are the result of the official November 20th date (set by Thes & Fat Beats) and any additional delay (seeing that the records are already pressed) is due to having to re-import copies back to Europe (Germany, UK, etc.).
I also saw someone asking Thes on IG whether there would be copies available from UK retailers and Thes responded something along the lines of 'yes, but it might take a while'...

In essence what we're seeing here is a different policy of publicizing estimated, non-binding preorder (in stock + shipping by) dates:
Vinyl-Digital appear to be fairly conservative in their estimate, hhv on the other hand are (more optimistically) giving out the exact same date as Fat Beats in the US. Juno aren't taking preorders and instead appear to be waiting until they either have the records in hand or at least more solidly reliable information.
So Vinyl-Digital might pleasantly surprise you and be able to begin shipping before December 31st, unless hhv already have copies in their warehouse or are having them delivered over the coming week, they may well have to postpone their current November 20th date.

It's down to the distributors (and/or how much additional effort the respective shops have put in with their distro contacts to ensure they get copies ASAP) and down to how much faith you have in the different shops estimates or non binding "promises", really.
YoYoPo

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Posted 3 months ago #

Twelve said:

It's notable they never followed through with a second part or conclusion (for whatever reason; deteriorating relationship with OM perhaps?)

...

* Wouldn't the "Swinging through battles like lightsabers with beta" line make more sense as "lighsabers with Vader" BTW?
It's part of Thes' rap at the beginning of the OST Remix...

Dude, Finding Bin Laden Part 2 is in the Fun DMC booklet!

And yes, it's definitely swinging lightsabers with Vader. I remember being excited when I realised the verse from the animation was released on OST Remix.
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Posted 3 months ago #

Did Thes drop those hats today?
Twelve

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Posted 3 months ago #

D'Oh!
I stand corrected.

First time I'm seeing that CD booklet. No such extras with the vinyl I'm afraid (and you know how I get down ).
Doubly surprising that this came out 6+ years after Part 1 then; and not on the album(s) directly following OST either. Might have made sense to include it on the Stepfather DVD in terms of a similar (multi)media experience..?
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Twelve said:
I'm neither convinced there will be another pressing, nor that there are/will be different US and EU versions. Technically all copies are pressed in CZ by an US label...

Increasingly unsure about this as well now, just having seen Thes IG story about how he won't be getting further copies of the record "till next year".
Perhaps they are pressing additional copies/another (identical) run before the end of the year (after all)..?
(No idea how VMP generally roll with their "re-stocks", swaps, replacements etc. - I assumed since they probably press thousands of copies to begin with, they intentionally set aside a certain contingent/batch for said purposes from the get-go.)

If so, this shines a slightly different light on the "limited" nature of the re-release. We were never told any numbers on how "limited" either variant was supposed to be. In a sense every record, sneaker, product is produced in finite quantities and with the advent of everyone now marketing their products as "limited" to make them seem more special/desirable the term is being used very *cough* loosely (and can apply to anything from 5, to 10, 300, 500, to 10.000 copies; especially if the quantity/supply is still < than the projected demand)...

Personally I don't see anything wrong with keeping the record "in print" (for now or in perpetuity) - I' not entirely convinced it ought to be promoted in quite the same way then though. No need for the whole "limited" spiel and catering to FOMO (fear of missing out) culture then.
I kinda feel too many people nowadays are (suddenly) buying records mainly for strange/other reasons: bragging rights, novelty value, as (instant) "collectibles"/"investments", because it's trendy, etc. - it doesn't even appear to necessarily be about playing/listening to the music anymore (which is more convenient - certainly cheaper/more widely available - by using other media; CDs, digital, streaming).
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Posted 3 months ago #

Would be pretty surprised if VMP repress this given that they haven't got exclusivity on the reissue & demand won't be that high from their core audience. Could easily see a scenario where Thes takes surplus stock from VMP and flogs it on his website.

Not sure how they worked this release out, but would suspect that VMP reached out to PUTS rather than the other way around.

Regular release is dirt cheap - £19.99 shipped via Amazon & similarly cheap in the US.
YoYoPo

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Twelve said:
D'Oh!
I stand corrected.

First time I'm seeing that CD booklet. No such extras with the vinyl I'm afraid (and you know how I get down ).
Doubly surprising that this came out 6+ years after Part 1 then; and not on the album(s) directly following OST either. Might have made sense to include it on the Stepfather DVD in terms of a similar (multi)media experience..?

So I did a little diggin and realised the old version of the website (which I still think was dope and my favorite version) is still online. It did have the Finding Bin Laden embedded but it doesn't quite work anymore so I grafted a page you can peep it...

FINDING BIN LADEN (the resurrection!)

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