Well im not much of a vinyl owner, and i dont really have anything that plays LPs. I just buy digital releases and physical CDs of the artist. So well i wanted to ask those vinyl owners what do you think sets the vinyl from the cd? Does it sound more enjoyable or is it essential for the underground lover?.............. I find it wierd that PUTS and other hip hop groups have exclusive songs only on the vinyl. 
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Posts: 1,853Posted 8 years ago #Your question is a good one and cannot be answered with an easy explanation. Vinyl is a truly "lossless" form of audio media. When one is listening to a vinyl release on a top quality system, there really isn't anything better to experience the music with. If you were to take a graphical representation of the music output, you'd see a huge range in the high peaks to the low valleys from a vinyl source. Now if you take that same song and turn into a lesser quality, i.e. mp3, then you are basically cutting the high's and the low's off of the audio information and only taking the "meat" of the music... really with mp3's you are only hearing an overall generalized representation of the original source. I think that the best type of digital file available, which would be considered truly "lossless", is what is known as FLAC. The size difference between an MP3 and FLAC file is tremendous, for example a version of an album in MP3 format might be 70-80 MB but a FLAC version of the same album would be around 1.5 GB.
As far as the vinyl exclusive songs, your guess is as good as mine. I always assumed there were a couple of reason's behind this: 1) keep vinyl alive 2) keep the art of digging alive. I am by no means an expert on either of these subjects, I have just enough knowledge to get myself into trouble... and access to a PC
With all that said, I can still take a P or Thes One CD and pump it waaaay up. The way Thes master's the albums is amazing. I can crank my system all the way up and I won't get any distortion, and in 5.1 my CD's sound amazing too!
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Posts: 188Posted 8 years ago #Yeah, thank so so much for answering this SLC HEAD. You helped me break this down,because I have listened to this song called Underground Up from People Under the Stairs that i never really heard before until i found it on youtube. And get this i have been listening to them in a while and now im finding all these songs in vinyls that i cant get a hold of.
,... but anyway thanks again for the insight on this greatly appreciated. 
SLC HEAD said:
Your question is a good one and cannot be answered with an easy explanation. Vinyl is a truly "lossless" form of audio media. When one is listening to a vinyl release on a top quality system, there really isn't anything better to experience the music with. If you were to take a graphical representation of the music output, you'd see a huge range in the high peaks to the low valleys from a vinyl source. Now if you take that same song and turn into a lesser quality, i.e. mp3, then you are basically cutting the high's and the low's off of the audio information and only taking the "meat" of the music... really with mp3's you are only hearing an overall generalized representation of the original source. I think that the best type of digital file available, which would be considered truly "lossless", is what is known as FLAC. The size difference between an MP3 and FLAC file is tremendous, for example a version of an album in MP3 format might be 70-80 MB but a FLAC version of the same album would be around 1.5 GB.As far as the vinyl exclusive songs, your guess is as good as mine. I always assumed there were a couple of reason's behind this: 1) keep vinyl alive 2) keep the art of digging alive. I am by no means an expert on either of these subjects, I have just enough knowledge to get myself into trouble... and access to a PC
With all that said, I can still take a P or Thes One CD and pump it waaaay up. The way Thes master's the albums is amazing. I can crank my system all the way up and I won't get any distortion, and in 5.1 my CD's sound amazing too!
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Posts: 343Posted 8 years ago #Never been a big fan of CD's, although that might be just my age showing!
As SLC head said, sound wise Vinyl is much richer. Plus I really like the old cover artwork, inner sleeve material etc more then with CD's... Plus I find the smell of old vinyl is some how very comforting.
There are also lots of records from the 60's, 70's and 80's that have never been re-released on CD or even digital.
If you don't want to spend big bucks on turntable then go for one of these
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Posts: 600Posted 8 years ago #I got most PUTS 12" and few albums on vinyl. PUTS has some nice extra goodies with some CDs like Carried Away-board game, Fun DMC-cartoon, Stepfather poster and limited DVD etc which dont come with vinyl so that's the reason for buying some release on CD too ( though I got some PUTS release on vinyl AND CD ). I have bought the vinyl also because the some B-sides are not available on CDs and I do mixing and scratching too. Vinyl has WAY bigger artwork too and with a good cartridge/needle, amp and nice set of speakers the mint vinyl is great to listen. So authentic vibes. Love the fact that vinyl has survived the coming of digital era and UG-vinyls are repressed. Keep the vinyl alive! Stanton t62 is a pretty nice bang for buck If you don't want to get the sl1200 as your first turntable. With t62, good slipmat and Shure turntabilist cartridge you will scratch the hell out of teh funk.
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Posts: 818Posted 8 years ago #I LOV vinyl.. but since i have nothing to play it on, it really sucks when they only put songs on it=\ cause I never get to listen to them.. unless i go to my friends who has turn tables.. As wonderful as it is, and how classic it is, its not as functional as CDs and what not, but I still love it and will still buy PUTS ones :)
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Posts: 1,427Posted 8 years ago #vinyl is for the most part all i buy
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Posts: 588Posted 8 years ago #Underground Run was on the Mystic Brew comp LP along with its EP release. also known as KPFK Radio Promo (track 4 on American Men Vol 1)
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Posts: 587Posted 8 years ago #williamhmacy said:
Underground Run was on the Mystic Brew comp LP along with its EP release. also known as KPFK Radio Promo (track 4 on American Men Vol 1)Ah, maaaaaan School Love.
I thought I was gonna be listening to something I've never listened to before.
I have American Men, and KPFK is my favorite song on there.
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Posts: 526Posted 8 years ago #Sweetness61686 said:
vinyl is for the most part all i buyIndeed! I've said it on other threads before: I'm a vinyl fiend. The only other addiction that comes close is caffeine
But seriously, great topic. As SLC HEAD pointed out there's no simple explanation as to why cats love vinyl so much and many of the reasons I can give are related to each other:
I remember records from back in my childhood. My dad even still has a functioning grammophone even though it serves mostly as a decorative item these days (neither of us is that old before you get the wrong idea
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I feel that music is becoming increasingly disposable these days (mp3's, youtube, myspace, etc.). An artists decision top have his music pressed to vinyl seems like an extra commitment to/ belief in the quality and longevity of his music. (Anyone's been able to burn CDs for years now so to me they don't compare...)
I like the pysical quality of vinyl. Taking the record out of the sleeve, placing it on the platter, dropping the needle. Being able to see the grooves, the record playing and the needle picking up sounds...
The fact that playing vinyl requires you to take things a bit slower. Putting the record on, turning the wax over to play the B/C/D/etc. sides.
The possibilities of scratching mixing and blending! Stopping and moving the record and thereby 'bending' the sound. (I think it's so funny that those qualities of vinyl have been reverse-engineered in CDJs and such)
To me vinyl and tapes ARE Hip Hop.
I'm also heavily into the aspects of artwork and packaging. 12x12 inches of room on the cover for pictures, images, drawings... Printed inner sleeves. Picture-discs. Fold-out covers. (For instance I own stuff like the Visionaries' Pangea Box set where the back sides of all 6 record sleeves combine into a MEAR-ONE painting, the limited edition of UNKLE's Psyence Fiction (part of the cover is a booklet with pictures of all the featured artists) and the limited release of De La Soul's - AOI: Mosaic Thump, which folds out into a huge poster)
Vinyl makes for for a great collector's item and display item.
A lot of music exists only on vinyl: Older music. Vinyl exclusives. Instrumentals!!!! Accapellas. A lot of 90's independent Hip Hop. Promos.
The warm analog sound of vinyl. SLC HEAD also pointed out the lossless quality of vinyl...I feel like I'm still forgetting soo many other things. But I'm sure there's a couple of answers in there for you
And while we're at it: Finally turned up a copy of 'Question In The Form Of An Answer Instrumentals' the other day.
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Posts: 1,427Posted 8 years ago #its all about that analog sound!
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Posts: 188Posted 8 years ago #Oh sh!t sorry about that its actually Underground Run: here it is
hit em with that underground sound!
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