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djGUERRILLA

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Posted 9 years ago #

I was wondering what tracks people had noticed distinct differences between the mix found on wax compared to CD/iTunes/etc. I was listening to "Suite for Creeper" and noticed that the funny sample at the beginning "Man....take a hit a this...its some goooood stuff..", isn't on the wax version. It just starts the song at like 0:04 into the CD version. I was wondering if anyone else had noticed this, and whether there was a known reason (uncleared sample, etc). Another one I noticed is on Thes' Lifestyle Marketing album, "Gate City Savings and Loan" has a really tight intro on the CD version that is pretty much not there in the wax version. It starts with thunder, and then some really reverberant sample of idk slowed down vibraphone sample or some other pitched percussion instrument, then the beat slowly fades in, very reverberant at first and getting dryer sounding till it comes in completely. The wax version just starts with the beat fading in I think......no thunder or other intro sample etc.

Anybody else notice some other examples like these? Was wondering why there is a difference.....which one Thes likes etc - greg

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Twelve

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Posted 9 years ago #

Well spotted - I'd assume the shorter vinyl versions are largely due to the limited amount of available space though..? You can only press so many minutes on one side if you want to retain the best possible sound quality. Can't have them grooves squeezed too tight...
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Twelve said:
Well spotted - I'd assume the shorter vinyl versions are largely due to the limited amount of available space though..? You can only press so many minutes on one side if you want to retain the best possible sound quality. Can't have them grooves squeezed too tight...

Very good point sir...didn't think about it like that.....Can't press 3 LPs and fit them into a 2 LP package...hmmm
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djGUERRILLA said:

Twelve said:
Well spotted - I'd assume the shorter vinyl versions are largely due to the limited amount of available space though..? You can only press so many minutes on one side if you want to retain the best possible sound quality. Can't have them grooves squeezed too tight...

Very good point sir...didn't think about it like that.....Can't press 3 LPs and fit them into a 2 LP package...hmmm
I know it's more expensive for the end-user, but... I've actually seen artists release one-and-a-half sides of a record before... so it's a "2 LP set" but one side of a record is smooth (or, in the case of one record I own, it's got some cool etchings on it).

If PUTS had chosen to make QitFoaA a "2.5 sided LP" and then etched a dope picture of the PUTS "cat" logo on the blank side (maybe a "hidden" track grooved toward the center or something)... that would've been tight.
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djGUERRILLA said:
Can't press 3 LPs and fit them into a 2 LP package...hmmm

That IS possible with the right sleeves but it's still a pretty tight fit...

ILook at it like this: your average CD has room for 74mins of music - if you divide that by 4 you'd need to put over 18mins on each side of a 2LP... I seem to recall the rule of thumb being to stay under 16. (Don't quote me on this though. )
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SactownConnection said:
If PUTS had chosen to make QitFoaA a "2.5 sided LP" and then etched a dope picture of the PUTS "cat" logo on the blank side (maybe a "hidden" track grooved toward the center or something)... that would've been tight.

Nice idea, but I think the more common way to release extra tracks that wouldn't fit on the 2LP used to be exclusive 12" B-Sides. Damn, I miss those days...
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Twelve said:
Nice idea, but I think the more common way to release extra tracks that wouldn't fit on the 2LP used to be exclusive 12" B-Sides. Damn, I miss those days...
Word. Ever since I was a kid, I was pokemon-ing B-sides like a mutha ("gotta catch em all", right?).

The internet has sorta destroyed 75% of the b-siding these days... and file downloads, iTunes and torrenting have made "rarities" a lot less sparse. I used to be SO PROUD of myself when I had all the wax for an artist (especially if there were differences from the CD), and now it just seems like it's no big deal.

On the PUTS side, I'm not sure that too much is different from CD to wax, but a lot of artists change things up. Different intros/outros to songs, different mixes, and bonus tracks.

Jamiroquai's first two albums had extended tracks for "When You Gonna Learn", "Too Young To Die", "If I Like It, I Do It", and "Stillness in Time". On the first two tracks I mentioned, you can't even listen to the CD versions after you peeped the vinyl album. Sh*t sounds all truncated.
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Posted 9 years ago #

Right on......this whole discussion really began because of that other thread about video games sounds.....I was listening to QITFOAA on wax immediately after having heard the track in mp3 and was like "huh, that awesome sample isn't on the track....stinks....why?" and that lead to this......I guess every sound counts because that sample only saved them like 4 seconds.....Speaking of weird versions of releases, I just found out recently that there's a version the Beastie Boys "Licensed to Ill" that was released in France in all the form of all 7" records for the whole album = awesomeness. Of course its insanely expensive and rare....

http://www.discogs.com/Beastie-Boys-Beastie-Boys/release/1429969

I have taken a break collecting funk records and started getting all the Beasties stuff on wax (just got a MINT copy of Ill Communication from 1994; the green wax!) Hello Nasty gold vinyl is on the way as well.......*plots next move* *checks wallet, realizes it is already empty* *sh!t*
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Posted 9 years ago #

I always thought it was because DJs used vinyl more - a lot of albums won't have the skits or skit-intros on the LPs so the records can be mixed easier?

Also I'm sure timing has a lot to do with it, especially when it comes to dropping whole tracks off. 2.5LPs are good though but yes do hike the prices up. I think the last record I bought like that was Gang Starr's The Ownerz in 2003. Got a few one-sided 12"s too, like Quasimoto's Astronaut EP (UK Press) and Klashnekoff's Jamrock Dub.
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Posted 9 years ago #

No not Jamrock sorry; Black Rose

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