I can ALMOST understand the mob-wildin' 'cause we're talking about some retro Jordan's, but... leaving your kids in a car? The holiday season bugs me out, man. People get straight caveman. You gots to chill...

esomedina said:
What's funny is Obama tends to start off from the central positions and gets called all ,types of Socialist/Communist/Marxist/etc. Imagine if he really did start out as far left as the Tea Party starts far right. What in the world would they label him then? lol

LMAO! Yeah, im yet to get that whole "anti-socialist" thing in America, Obama is FAR from being considered a lefty in my books yet when he tries to impliment healthcare for the benifit of many, he gets called a communist! Jeez, cant the ignorant masses see past the bullshizzle and see how a healthy poluation is able to work harder because of it? Im pretty much a marxist but even i can see the benifits of universal healthcare for the whole system.

In UK news, Chancellor George Osbourne needs to seriously consider changing the economic plan he has right now, coz PLAN A (as its aptly called) is pretty close to sending us into another recession (well, technically its another recession but seeing as weve had so little growth in the past year, i maintain weve been in a constant recession) so we need to adopt a different fiscal policy (a PLAN B or C or D) if you like. The goverment needs to leave its political ideologys at the front door and do whats best for the country!

Peace

SLC HEAD said:

esomedina said:

... Maybe getting rid of these career politicians and instituting term limits would help.

Orin *cough* Hatch (R) *cough*

*Obama Fist Bump*

esomedina said:

... Maybe getting rid of these career politicians and instituting term limits would help.

Orin *cough* Hatch (R) *cough*

Lock N Load said:

I know that a politician is a politician is a politician (yes, repeated three times) and none of them are to be trusted. But when you have a choice of Republicans who believe America is the playground of the rich and Democrats who believe Americans deserve a helping hand, which one do you think the majority of Americans should side with?

This is exactly the type of phony arguments Republicans try to make with the 'you're either with us, or for the terrorists.' The honest truth is politics is not that clear cut. It's also easy to say that it's the fault of the rich for the current state the economy is in, but when you do that, you're being intellectually lazy.

I'm not making a "you're with us or against us" argument. I'm saying that when you review the stances Republicans take compared to what Democrats take, which one appeals to the majority of Americans?

I don't blame the rich for ruining the economy. We all played a role. Banks lured buyers into buying more home than they could afford. Buyers were blinded by the American Dream and didn't read the fine print. The banks lured consumers with easy credit, earning interest and fees on this credit. The consumer bought items they couldn't afford.

Shouldn't politics be clear cut? You want one thing, I want another. We're both not going to get our way, so let's meet in the middle. Done. Next issue. Maybe getting rid of these career politicians and instituting term limits would help.

Sorry but Bush deserves every ounce of sh!t talking he gets... Dude just idly sat by why our economy was in the preliminary stages of collapse. Kind of like when he just sat there reading nursery rhymes while planes were crashing into buildings. Sorry Lock but Bush was our worst president ever... Period.

For the record, I'm not a Bush fan, I voted Obama I just fail to see what is so shocking about the other side attacking the President and trying to win. That is exactly what the Democrats did when the other party was in office, it's just you don't like it now because the 'mean' other side is doing it.

I know that a politician is a politician is a politician (yes, repeated three times) and none of them are to be trusted. But when you have a choice of Republicans who believe America is the playground of the rich and Democrats who believe Americans deserve a helping hand, which one do you think the majority of Americans should side with?

This is exactly the type of phony arguments Republicans try to make with the 'you're either with us, or for the terrorists.' The honest truth is politics is not that clear cut. It's also easy to say that it's the fault of the rich for the current state the economy is in, but when you do that, you're being intellectually lazy.

SactownConnection said:

esomedina said:
I don't agree with Obama being a "pussy" because like you said, you appreciate his sense of compromise. I'd much rather see stuff get done. Both sides need to compromise. We see the effects of not backing down as shown by the Republicans in the House. Their way or the highway. Legislation that will help the whole of American people either gets stalled indefinitely or simply does not pass. This President is held under a finer microscope and held to a far higher standard than any other President. Be it the internet/information age, his skin color, party affiliation, whatever. Politics just brings the worst out or people.

Good point. I back down on my earlier comment.

I guess what I mean to say is that Obama starts the conversation from a reasonable stance, and the other side usually doesn't, so when they "meet in the middle", it usually ends up not being exactly where I'd prefer it. I almost wish the Pres would start from a point equally as wacky on the other side, so then maybe they could meet in a true "center" area, but I'm not sure that it really works that way, haha.

Quit being a pussy! Stand by what you believe in! (i'm joking here)

What's funny is Obama tends to start off from the central positions and gets called all ,types of Socialist/Communist/Marxist/etc. Imagine if he really did start out as far left as the Tea Party starts far right. What in the world would they label him then? lol

Lock N Load said:
Republicans are just trying to win an election. Of course they are attacking Obama. Why is this shocking to anyone? Democrats did it to Bush.

President isn't perfect either, let's get off that noise.

Sorry but Bush deserves every ounce of sh!t talking he gets... Dude just idly sat by why our economy was in the preliminary stages of collapse. Kind of like when he just sat there reading nursery rhymes while planes were crashing into buildings. Sorry Lock but Bush was our worst president ever... Period.

esomedina said:
I don't agree with Obama being a "pussy" because like you said, you appreciate his sense of compromise. I'd much rather see stuff get done. Both sides need to compromise. We see the effects of not backing down as shown by the Republicans in the House. Their way or the highway. Legislation that will help the whole of American people either gets stalled indefinitely or simply does not pass. This President is held under a finer microscope and held to a far higher standard than any other President. Be it the internet/information age, his skin color, party affiliation, whatever. Politics just brings the worst out or people. Good point. I back down on my earlier comment.

I guess what I mean to say is that Obama starts the conversation from a reasonable stance, and the other side usually doesn't, so when they "meet in the middle", it usually ends up not being exactly where I'd prefer it. I almost wish the Pres would start from a point equally as wacky on the other side, so then maybe they could meet in a true "center" area, but I'm not sure that it really works that way, haha.