I think this topic should be broadened... maybe include some dudes you're ashamed to say jumped the shark.
KRS-One: jumped the shark after Return of the Boom Bap (with the exception of the MCs act like they don't know b/w represent the real hip hop 12")
Wu Tang: jumped the shark with The W
Pharcyde: jumped the shark with Plain Rap
J-Live: jumped the shark with The Hear After
Kool G Rap: jumped the shark when he went over to Rawkus
Any others you can think of (artists you will always love, but you don't feel their new stuff as much)
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Posts: 95Posted 16 years ago #I feel ya, I was just referencing Colbert- "GW Bush, great president or The Greatest President"
Question is Def on that list. It seems like every song is f**king golden at different points throughout my career as a listener of it. -
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Posts: 537Posted 16 years ago #I dunno about you guys, but I love Common Sense. He is a very on point rapper with lyrics that make you gasp in amazement. Listen to Resurrection, and you'll know what i'm talking about.
But I felt like he jumped the shark after Be. He just wasnt ever the same. I still have hope tho. He will 'resurrect' after Universal Mind Control and amaze us all with the real sh!t.
I hope. -
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Posts: 1,874Posted 16 years ago #Yeah common is dope. Resurrection and Like water for Chocolate are both awesome albums. I'm not diggin his newer stuff though. He seems like a f*ckin w@nker as a person too. Though I'm not sure whether or not that means I shouldn't like his music. There's plenty of cases like that... What you guys think? -
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Posts: 654Posted 16 years ago #Be, is also really dope. -
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Posts: 349Posted 16 years ago #Lyrically he's always excellent but I gotta say I think he sometimes picks the wrong beat. Love his raw old boom-bap stuff and the jazzier tracks, the stuff with J. Rawls, the track with Thes is a bonafide classic in my opinion, so is braggin writes etc etc.... but I wasn't feeling the most recent stuff as much, beatwise. I'll still check everything he does though, he's still a million times better than most of the stuff that drops these days. -
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Posts: 349Posted 16 years ago #RE: Common
I feel pretty much everything he's ever done - have any of ya'll copped the Insight Remixes album - thats real good to hear some of his classics over raw Insight beats.
Not feeling what I've heard of that new album though.
To be honest, anything involving those poppy Neptunes beats just doesn't season my steak. -
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Posts: 3,255Posted 16 years ago #trenchmc said: Does anyone else feel that Talib Kweli gets sh!tty beats relative to his skills as an MC? I feel like a bunch of beats on Finding Forever were wasted.
I feel this way about a lot of artists. I'm more of an organic hip-hop listener. That's why I'm so crazy about the P. I like jazz, rock, etc. samples that actually used instrumentation... Most important to me personally is the way the drum track sounds. If it sounds like tick-tick-thump or ultra-electronic, I want to be rid of it immediately, and sometimes I hear really good MCs wasting all their rhymes over tracks that eat sh*t. And it's sad. -
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Posts: 40Posted 16 years ago #I know it's been said before in this thread but...
Common with Be. I dunno, but something tells me that he's that "one rapper" that people at Starbucks on their laptops dig. I got love for him, but I didn't think "Be" was the classic album people made it out to be. Plus, statements like "I usually hate rap, but Common is awesome!" take the wind outta my sails.
But on the whole, I love Common. -
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Posts: 654Posted 16 years ago #Be is a great album. -
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Posts: 537Posted 16 years ago #trenchmc said: Does anyone else feel that Talib Kweli gets sh!tty beats relative to his skills as an MC? I feel like a bunch of beats on Finding Forever were wasted.
A-MEN. A lot of MCs with talent get hit with tracks that are all about the 808s. Its almost hip-house music with the repetitive electronic beats that some of these artists nowadays are rapping over.
I don't know why they are attracted to those tracks. Maybe because they are catchy and easy to play on the radio?
I can't speak for everyone, but to me, music comes first. Music is art, music is expression. It's really sad to see that artists must conform their art to please the masses, instead of honestly expressing themselves and creating true art.
I don't know much...but when someone plays "Lil' Wayne - A Milli" and then I play "PUTS - The Suite For Beaver Part 1," I cant even begin to compare those two tracks. They are from two different planets. One has so much SOUL. There is no other word to describe it. Pure SOUL. It's almost as if you can tell that the PUTS were honestly expressing themselves.
Sorry for the random rant, lmao.
P.S. Common Sense is the sh!t. Anyone who disagrees, please direct yourself to some speakers, and the album "Resurrection"
P.P.S Be is awesome as well. -
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Posts: 1,137Posted 16 years ago #SacChamp I definitely agree with you on the Common and Starbucks tip, same thing is true for Mos Def because he starred in all those movies and TV shows (he was great in all of them, but some movies were complete sh!t). On the real though, Be is almost at that classic level, I do love his older stuff though, just haven't gotten the full albums yet.
Also, with Xellerated, I'm not feeling that packaged electro-garbage that's on the radio, some of it can be quite well done though. For example, Cool Kids, pretty innovative, still dope, but yeah they're in a completely different world from guys like PUTS for sure. -
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Posts: 537Posted 16 years ago #trenchmc said: SacChamp I definitely agree with you on the Common and Starbucks tip, same thing is true for Mos Def because he starred in all those movies and TV shows (he was great in all of them, but some movies were complete sh!t). On the real though, Be is almost at that classic level, I do love his older stuff though, just haven't gotten the full albums yet.
Also, with Xellerated, I'm not feeling that packaged electro-garbage that's on the radio, some of it can be quite well done though. For example, Cool Kids, pretty innovative, still dope, but yeah they're in a completely different world from guys like PUTS for sure.
Oh of course trench! I agree with you there. Great music exists in all genres.
The only thing that bothers me is what you called the "packaged electro-garbage." I couldnt have said it better myself.
When I listen to some music on the radio these days, I honestly can't distinguish between some of it. All of it blends together into this white noise that is completely devoid of soul!
You cant compare some of the things on the radio nowadays to PUTS (or a bunch of other top notch artists). It is really like comparing apples to oranges. They are both fruits, but they cater to different audiences. One is a 'radio song' or 'club banger' and the other...well the other is just plain funky and raw.
Now don't get me wrong, "Tonight's Gonna be a Good Night" is catchy, and you might even catch it on my ipod once in a while, but in 30 years, when i'm with my grandkid pullin out records, i'm gonna pull out PUTS and show him where the soul is.
Real music, art, honest expression, soul.
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