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Posted 16 years ago #This may be a stupid thread to post up, but I was genuinely curious about this:
Have any of you ever PERSONALLY experienced something prejudicial that you thought was ridiculous or hella offensive? Have you ever wanted to embrace the negative stereotype and "go for bad" at all? It can be anything...
Also, it may be sorta shameful, but any confessions of being prejudiced?
(Again, this was P inspired: I was listening to My Boy D and thinking about the "classic story: good brother gone bad" line...)
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I am more olive-toned (thanks to the Sicilian in me), but it's still pretty f*ckin' obvious that I'm white. Never experienced any "reverse racism" or any of that b.s.
I HAVE however, gotten a lot of comments about being a nerd, and also, I'm somewhere between Sean Connery's James Bond and Austin Powers on the body hair scale (again, thanks to being Sicilian), and I got MAJOR sh*t for that (especially 'cause I was on a swim team for a while... they kept yelling Sasquatch at me)... someone once suggested that I let them "mow my back" (almost knocked that dude out).
But yeah, I think I've been pretty fair to everyone... in early high school, I told a lot of gay jokes, but if that's as bad as it got, I think I'm doing alright... -
Posted 16 years ago #Hmn, intresting thread sactown, cud probably talk for days on this and there shud be some intresting comments....ill start.
well, im a bit of an overweight nerd, but ive been a bit predjudice in my time, i look back and completley regret things ive said and done, but it was out of ignorance. my family and (now) my friends are all un predjudice but when i was in school, u hang round with some idiots and ive said sum nasty stupid sh!t. probably due to being on the recieving end most of the time, u jus wanna dish sum out.
however, im older, slightly wiser and see it as all bollocks as a way of dividing people into little groups. so i apologise for my past but have good hopes for my future. especially now im in uni, b4 uni and growing up i lived in a very white community so didnt see many asians or blacks. then i started going clubbing and realised were all the same and you shouldnt judge anyone until uve spoken to em, some people are d!ckheads some aint, but thats not to do with skin colour, jus them
anyways, found this little song on youtube which is quite entertaining, and predjudice can be funny, as long as its a joke and noone gets hurt. i mean how long has the "white men cant dance" thing been going round? but u shud see me on a dancefloor, im like the white james brown. hahahaha. JOKE!
Peace n love to all humankind
Posted 16 years ago #
Go to Orange County California, meet people at a bar, leave a tape recorder by beer, go to bathroom, come back, listen to said tape recorder, you will have more racist jokes in that tape recortder than a George Carlin stand up special.
I'm Mexican and yes I have experienced racism, but do not stoop to idiots level and return the nonsense.
At the end we are all Human Beings.
I'm Mexican and yes I have experienced racism, but do not stoop to idiots level and return the nonsense.
At the end we are all Human Beings.
Posted 16 years ago #
There's a pretty racist commercial on tv over here. (I think)
You get to see only black mothers and black babies.
Very cute babies to soften the blow, or whatever.
And the message in the end is, you can help us prevent AIDS.
I thought, what the f***!
It's a bit racist, isn't it?
A commercial for preventing aids, and they only show black mothers and babies.
Like white people can't have aids or anything.
Bit racist, if you ask me.
You get to see only black mothers and black babies.
Very cute babies to soften the blow, or whatever.
And the message in the end is, you can help us prevent AIDS.
I thought, what the f***!
It's a bit racist, isn't it?
A commercial for preventing aids, and they only show black mothers and babies.
Like white people can't have aids or anything.
Bit racist, if you ask me.
Posted 16 years ago #
EarthTraveler said: There's a pretty racist commercial on tv over here. (I think)Yeah, really bad advertising decision. I've seen commercials like that too.
You get to see only black mothers and black babies.
Very cute babies to soften the blow, or whatever.
And the message in the end is, you can help us prevent AIDS.
I thought, what the f***!
It's a bit racist, isn't it?
A commercial for preventing aids, and they only show black mothers and babies.
Like white people can't have aids or anything.
Bit racist, if you ask me.
The thing that really p*sses me off is when people try to justify being that way... "well, gays do have the highest rates of AIDS transmission... black people 'cause' more crime"... people need to get the f*ck out my face with that b.s., haha.
Posted 16 years ago #
ESCO said: Go to Orange County California, meet people at a bar, leave a tape recorder by beer, go to bathroom, come back, listen to said tape recorder, you will have more racist jokes in that tape recortder than a George Carlin stand up special.Yeah, I've heard stories about the OC. Very conservative, very non-tolerant. Isn't the driving situation down there crazy too?
I'm Mexican and yes I have experienced racism, but do not stoop to idiots level and return the nonsense.
ESCO said: At the end we are all Human Beings.Exactly.
Posted 16 years ago #
What if its a joke though? is it still racism? should we all be able to take the pi$$ outta eachother with no fear of political corectness? coz i hate political corectness and people who say what IS and IS NOT pc or acceptable? if a person from a "minority" tells a racist joke is that okay? any opinions?
peace to all
peace to all
Posted 16 years ago #
just cos you think it's funny, and you don't mean it to be offensive, doesn't mean that the target of the joke thinks it's funny. With racism and sexism and all discrimination, what is important is how the person receiving the discrimination interprets it, not the motherf*cker who's dishing it out. So you can argue all you want (as my mates do) that it's fine to call a chinese take out a chinky, or an indian owned shop a paki store, cos it's not really racist, cos they don't dislike those people or their establishments, but your wrong, cos as long as there's someone out there who's offended by it, it is f*cking racist. Man, sometimes it really gets my goat when white people (like sactowns example above) equate discrimination with getting slagged off for having body hair, or being ginger or short or whatever. NO. It's not the same. People have never threatened your family cos you've got ginger hair. People have never thrown rocks at you cos you've got a hairy back. People don't judge your intellectual capabilities on the basis of your freckles. Don't equate racism with this. This is something a lot of white people don't seem to understand (including some of my friends).
Posted 16 years ago #
ok a feel a bit bad about the aggressive tone of my last post. I apologise. Some f*cker was shouting "terrorist" at me in the street yesterday and I almost panned his face in, and it's still rubbing me up the wrong way that i didn't. I know you guys are all well informed, but it just winds me up so much when i see how much ignorance is out there.
Posted 16 years ago #
I agree with dodo's comments about a joke's appropriateness lying on the receiver's end, not the teller. But sometimes, I think the receiver has a responsibility to judge the teller's intentions. Take Richard Pryor, for instance (I've used him a lot before, might as well keep going): let's say he does a joke about white women being super-timid and more easy to manipulate into sex and black women being all militant and needing to get something before they "give it up". It's racist and sexist, flat out. But it makes a lot of people, from both sexes and races, laugh. Obviously, the receivers have given the teller lease to be that way, probably because they feel that it's "all in good fun". Do you consider that wrong?
Then again, a lot of people think they are in an audience that would be "okay" with their material, and then they go to far, and tell a joke that really messes someone up.
Personally, I think a joke's appropriateness boils down to the teller's inner feelings about his subject matter (is he really racist? is she really sexist?), and how well (s)he conveys to the listener that there are no personal discriminatory feelings inside of them. If someone tells a sexist/racist joke in a vicious light, then it's wrong. If someone tells another racist joke, but let's it be known that (s)he is really not intending it in a hurtful manner (like Pryor's "equal opportunity" bashing of every race), then it's more acceptable.
But even that gets you into trouble if you let your jokes get into the hands of someone who IS vicious.
Tough subject.
Then again, a lot of people think they are in an audience that would be "okay" with their material, and then they go to far, and tell a joke that really messes someone up.
Personally, I think a joke's appropriateness boils down to the teller's inner feelings about his subject matter (is he really racist? is she really sexist?), and how well (s)he conveys to the listener that there are no personal discriminatory feelings inside of them. If someone tells a sexist/racist joke in a vicious light, then it's wrong. If someone tells another racist joke, but let's it be known that (s)he is really not intending it in a hurtful manner (like Pryor's "equal opportunity" bashing of every race), then it's more acceptable.
But even that gets you into trouble if you let your jokes get into the hands of someone who IS vicious.
Tough subject.
Posted 16 years ago #
you smoke dodo? said: ok a feel a bit bad about the aggressive tone of my last post. I apologise. Some f*cker was shouting "terrorist" at me in the street yesterday and I almost panned his face in, and it's still rubbing me up the wrong way that i didn't. I know you guys are all well informed, but it just winds me up so much when i see how much ignorance is out there.Sorry that had to happen. That fool needs to eat a d*ck.
I apologize if my comparisons among body hair, racism, nerd-ism, and sexism rubbed you the wrong way, but I tend to look at discrimination as any viewpoint that, if verbalised, can drive another person to think that their differences are a detriment to leading a happy life (and the formation of a psychosis). If you look at it that way, virtually anything can be discriminatory. To use an analogy, I think being a racist is like blowing up a bomb, whereas being personally discriminatory is like shooting someone. The effects can be the same, but how widespread they are is based on the subject matter. I mean, OF COURSE, I agree that bodily-harm threats and vicious racism are worse on a large scale than someone being mean to a "nerd", but what about this:
Take a little sheltered suburbanite kid and make him an outcast because he's academic (or even hairy, sh*t). Doing that can give him a psychosis that may make him take a gun to school and waste his classmates, or maybe just make him an alcoholic. A person's situation dictates how badly (s)he'll feel about something. If you put a hardened kid from the streets (who's had to fight through heavy turmoil and discrimination his whole life) in the same situation, he may just laugh it off, 'cause he's stronger than the little sheltered kid. But that doesn't give anyone the right to say that the "nerd" discrimination was less serious than flat out sexism or racism TO THAT INDIVIDUAL suburbanite kid, 'cause it had the same destructive effects on a personal scale to this guy that couldn't "hack it" as well.
Sure, no one's had some crazy wild rock-throwing, family-lynching sh*t happen to them because they wore glasses, but calling someone a "four-eyes" still can make them feel different from those around them and really mess them up in the head, if it's done in the right manner.
But yeah, the stuff that happens on a global scale, like sexism or racism, are the problems that I'd tackle first, though, if given a chance (although, chances are that they'll always be around, 'cause people are *ssholes), because they do affect more people on a day-to-day basis. I do think they are more serious because of the effects they have on everyone, and because they (racism, especially) have this habit of spreading like a virus. So yeah, I agree with you on that, but I still think that discrimination is discrimination, no matter how you slice it.
Posted 16 years ago #
My replies were so long, I had to post twice. Haha.
Also, I hope you aren't getting inflamed by all this. If I AM being naive about all this, I don't mind admitting my mistake, and I'd actually like to mature my viewpoint, so be my teacher, dodo...
Also, I hope you aren't getting inflamed by all this. If I AM being naive about all this, I don't mind admitting my mistake, and I'd actually like to mature my viewpoint, so be my teacher, dodo...
Posted 16 years ago #
Sad times DODO, just to be clear and so i dont offend anyone i hate racism/sexism/nationalism or anything predjudice, in an ideal world we would all get along, but i jus wanna get some answers too questions and learn more. im fortunate enough to never have been racially discriminated, but as sactown said, anything that makes you different can often be piked on and can make the reciever feel bad...
so what aout ur views on free speech? should someone be able to share their opinion (be it in joke form or whatever) even if that view is gna offend a particular group? as sactown said, if that person doesnt really mean it, or if they do, not in a harmful or nasty way, does that mean its okay?
peace
so what aout ur views on free speech? should someone be able to share their opinion (be it in joke form or whatever) even if that view is gna offend a particular group? as sactown said, if that person doesnt really mean it, or if they do, not in a harmful or nasty way, does that mean its okay?
peace
Posted 16 years ago #
You're talking sense sactown, you obviously have some insight. Thing about racism is, it's different. I guess that's for many reasons. It's a visual indicator, so you can be racist very easily just by looking at someone. Also, society places a lot of prescience in race (i don't give a sh!t if people say we're post racism now cos of Barack, that's BS). Race plays an important part in how people are described in the media etc.
Also, in this age of fear, race is used as an idicator of prediliction towards crime and violence etc. Use the number of black men in jail in the states as an example. It's way way way over-representative to their population in general society. Why is this? Many would say it's because black men are more likely to commit crime, whereas in actual fact, black man are more likely to come from a background of poverty, have less money put into their education, have less opportunity for employment etc DUE TO RACISM. So i just don't think that you can compare discrimination based on hair colour, body shape etc to racism. This kind of discrimination isn't institutional, it's not deep, it doesn't affect peoples opportunities in life. It maybe affects their opportunities in the playground, but i honestly don't think further then that it makes a huge difference. So i agree, that discrimination takes all forms. But i don't agree that discrimination is discrimination. I think some forms are far far more powerful than others, so much so that really they don't fit the same definition.
As for the free speech thing, it's tricky. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but not everyone has a right to a platform for that opinion. If their opinion is discrimanatory, hate-mongering etc, then f*ck em, we don't put em on tv, we don't give them money, we don't do anything to further their cause. They can represent themselves, and let people see how stupid they are on their own. I don't agree with banning these people from speaking though, as i think that prevents them from digging their own graves.
Heavy subjects. But it's good to talk about this stuff.
Also, in this age of fear, race is used as an idicator of prediliction towards crime and violence etc. Use the number of black men in jail in the states as an example. It's way way way over-representative to their population in general society. Why is this? Many would say it's because black men are more likely to commit crime, whereas in actual fact, black man are more likely to come from a background of poverty, have less money put into their education, have less opportunity for employment etc DUE TO RACISM. So i just don't think that you can compare discrimination based on hair colour, body shape etc to racism. This kind of discrimination isn't institutional, it's not deep, it doesn't affect peoples opportunities in life. It maybe affects their opportunities in the playground, but i honestly don't think further then that it makes a huge difference. So i agree, that discrimination takes all forms. But i don't agree that discrimination is discrimination. I think some forms are far far more powerful than others, so much so that really they don't fit the same definition.
As for the free speech thing, it's tricky. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but not everyone has a right to a platform for that opinion. If their opinion is discrimanatory, hate-mongering etc, then f*ck em, we don't put em on tv, we don't give them money, we don't do anything to further their cause. They can represent themselves, and let people see how stupid they are on their own. I don't agree with banning these people from speaking though, as i think that prevents them from digging their own graves.
Heavy subjects. But it's good to talk about this stuff.
Posted 16 years ago #
Understood. Definitely good to get all this out in the open though so we can chew and stew on it. I'll think a bit on what you're saying, though.
Part of me almost hates coming at all this from a white, semi-privileged perspective, because I like to be down and dirty in the problems so I can fully understand them first-hand... but I by no means hate who I am, and I think outside the box as much as possible. In fact, I'd like to think that there isn't even a box anymore in my head... but sh*t, we've probably all got preconceptions... I just have a hard time finding mine anymore.
Part of me almost hates coming at all this from a white, semi-privileged perspective, because I like to be down and dirty in the problems so I can fully understand them first-hand... but I by no means hate who I am, and I think outside the box as much as possible. In fact, I'd like to think that there isn't even a box anymore in my head... but sh*t, we've probably all got preconceptions... I just have a hard time finding mine anymore.
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