When's the last time you heard a funky diabetic...?
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LP
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P fan #1
Joined: Sep '11
Posts: 975Posted 10 years ago #Sad news.
What a legend.
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The Architect
Joined: Feb '05
Posts: 3,618Posted 10 years ago #Damn! Sad news this week.
R.I.P. to the number one funky diabetic for sure...
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P fan #1
Joined: May '10
Posts: 577Posted 10 years ago #Terrible, sad news indeed.
I can't decide whether or not to re-watch the Rapaport documentary tonight or not - I still wish he hadn't emphasized the petty differences so much and focused more on the incredible timeless music, its creation and the groups overall influence and legacy instead.
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LP
Joined: Nov '13
Posts: 340Posted 10 years ago #It puts mortality into the mind. Phife is the same age as me.
Dude gave pleasure to millions. R.I.P man. -
EP
Joined: Nov '09
Posts: 112Posted 10 years ago #Just surreal. Horrible news. Phife was unique in that he seemed so effortless on the mic and brought that conversational style with incredible personality, storytelling, and timing.
Bumpin' Low End Theory right now and I'm just realizing how perfect their first three albums are to me. No one comes close to blending Hip-Hop and Jazz like Tribe did. They legitimately still inspire me every time I listen to them.
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EP
Joined: Nov '09
Posts: 112Posted 10 years ago #Twelve said:
Terrible, sad news indeed.
I can't decide whether or not to re-watch the Rapaport documentary tonight or not - I still wish he hadn't emphasized the petty differences so much and focused more on the incredible timeless music, its creation and the groups overall influence and legacy instead.I'm with you on the documentary from what I remember (I probably need to rewatch it). I'm conflicted cause I really liked it and loved hearing all the details and truths of the group dynamic and relationships. I cant fault Rapaport because he documented the truth of what happened.
Then as a fan, like you said, I want the doc to more so go into crazy extreme detail on how the songs and albums were produced and what the inspirations were for all the songs/rhymes and sample choices.
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P fan #1
Joined: May '10
Posts: 577Posted 10 years ago #^^ Yeah, as much as Rapaport may have captured (or not?) Tip's and Phife's feelings towards one another at the time I couldn't help but feel a fair amount of it seemed rather petty and somewhat diminished the otherwise very enjoyable documentary as a result...
AFAIK neither Kamaal nor Malik fully agreed with the portrayal of the situation either and didn't attend any of the screenings of BR&L.I must admit I always find it somewhat surprising how much most folks seem to dis(mis)s 'Beats, Rhymes And Life' and 'The Love Movement' btw.
Sure, they're nowhere near the same level as 'Low End Theory' and 'Midnight Marauders' (both of which are flawless and among the best examples of how perfect albums should sound) and they don't have the impact of 'People's Instinctive Travels' (it's really mostly the singles on this one though IMO)... But BR&L especially is a solid record.
I find this particularly ironic as everyone's been jocking Jay Dee so hard for years, worshipping at their little DILLA shrines and praising all the half baked posthumous material that's been released, but when it comes to the early Ummah production all you hear is crickets..? -
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Posts: 577Posted 10 years ago #Dwight said:
I want the doc to more so go into crazy extreme detail on how the songs and albums were produced and what the inspirations were for all the songs/rhymes and sample choices.Have you read Brian Coleman's excellent 'Check the Technique: Liner Notes for Hip-Hop Junkies'?
If not I highly recommend picking up a copy as there's a chapter on 'Low End Theory' (and loads of other classic albums of course)...
I've been tempted to cop the 'People's Instinctive Travels' volume in the 33 1/3 series myself for some time now, but I really think those booklets are decidedly overpriced given the number of pages and general content. -
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Joined: Nov '14
Posts: 51Posted 10 years ago #Terrible, sad news indeed.
I can't decide whether or not to re-watch the Rapaport documentary tonight or not - I still wish he hadn't emphasized the petty differences so much and focused more on the incredible timeless music, its creation and the groups overall influence and legacy instead.
Tribe = Top 3 Hip Hop groups of all time hands down.I'm so very blessed to say that I have gotten to see Tribe live at least once during the 2010 Rock the Bells fest in San Bernardino, but it was devastating to find out in the documentary that in reality Tip & Phife had differences. I, too, wish the documentary would have not put too much focus on that. Sending love & strength to the Tribe during this difficult time :(
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P fan #1
Joined: May '10
Posts: 577Posted 10 years ago #Just re-watched the documentary and I've got to say it never fails to lift my spirits and send me delving right back to the entire Tribe discography.
Checking about differences between the 2 DVD versions earlier today I've got to correct my earlier post: Phife DID in fact attend the premiere, so it was only Q-Tip who was on the fence about it. Understandably so as he's the one taking the blame and being portrayed as a diva of sorts...
(Even if that may not be too far off the mark. Yes, he's a brilliant musician, but even the late Chris Lighty pointed out that he's creative/perfectionistic/controlling to the point that Midnight Marauders had to be taken from him and put out to avoid it turning into something that otherwise might've been "finished" around the Y2K...)Extra points to Phife Diggy for admitting to the fact that the issues between him and Tip were essentially BS, too. The 5 foot assassin was and always will be larger than life.
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EP
Joined: Nov '09
Posts: 112Posted 10 years ago #Twelve said:
I must admit I always find it somewhat surprising how much most folks seem to dis(mis)s 'Beats, Rhymes And Life' and 'The Love Movement' btw.
Sure, they're nowhere near the same level as 'Low End Theory' and 'Midnight Marauders' (both of which are flawless and among the best examples of how perfect albums should sound) and they don't have the impact of 'People's Instinctive Travels' (it's really mostly the singles on this one though IMO)... But BR&L especially is a solid record.
I find this particularly ironic as everyone's been jocking Jay Dee so hard for years, worshipping at their little DILLA shrines and praising all the half baked posthumous material that's been released, but when it comes to the early Ummah production all you hear is crickets..?Agreed on Beats Rhymes & Life. Not quite as dope as the 1st three albums, but I appreciate how their sound evolved bringing in Dilla. Definitely still a classic to me. Jam is one of my favorite songs ever.
And that's kind of a pet peeve of mine with Dilla too. He's one of my favorite producers of all time but the stuff being released now (The King of Beats, Dillatronic, etc.) is just not good to me. It sounds like material that shouldn't have been released. I'm tired of seeing new Dilla albums being released all the time.
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EP
Joined: Nov '09
Posts: 112Posted 10 years ago #Twelve said:
Dwight said:
I want the doc to more so go into crazy extreme detail on how the songs and albums were produced and what the inspirations were for all the songs/rhymes and sample choices.Have you read Brian Coleman's excellent 'Check the Technique: Liner Notes for Hip-Hop Junkies'?
If not I highly recommend picking up a copy as there's a chapter on 'Low End Theory' (and loads of other classic albums of course)...Yes! That's a great book. That's exactly the type of stuff I love reading about albums.
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P fan #1
Joined: May '10
Posts: 577Posted 10 years ago #Dwight said:
And that's kind of a pet peeve of mine with Dilla too. He's one of my favorite producers of all time but the stuff being released now (The King of Beats, Dillatronic, etc.) is just not good to me. It sounds like material that shouldn't have been released. I'm tired of seeing new Dilla albums being released all the time.Personally I think things can be broken down fairly simple: I'm a BIG fan of Jay Dee's work (1st Down, Slum Village, Pharcyde, Tribe/Ummah, etc.), but not nearly as fond of his Dilla period. As much as I respect his versatility as a "producer's producer" and the evolution of his sound, the whole electronic/synthetic sound, the Frank & Dank stripclub jawns and all that simply aren't my bag. In fact I'd go so far as saying anything released post '06 doesn't measure up to the standard Mr. Yancey would've considered the absolute minumum to let the general public hear stuff and I'd love to see someone step to his so-called friends, family and all those other folks profiting off annual events like "Dilla Weekend" and so forth and ask them whether they feel the $$ justify them completely disregarding the man's wishes and artistic integrity...
TBH at this point I wouldn't put it past them to have someone ghost-produce additional material as long as they can keep printing money. Surely those substantial medical bills have been paid by now?
*rant over; BTT*
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