EP
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Is this guy serious?!?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19432755
Does anyone take this guy even remotely seriously? He comes across about as sincerely as Wayne Newton! He made a total laughing stock of himself when he was in the UK last month.
What do people in America think of this guy?
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Very true, yet I'd like to think that the political environment at that time was such that people from all sides were banding together and not wanting to disrupt the "progress" Georgey Porgey was making after the attacks of 9-11, rooting the world of Terrorist Entities while simultaneously stripping us of our privacy and freedom... All in the name of "Safety & Security". In essence, Dubyah was re-elected because 9-11 occurred imho. What was left to clean up was a huge cluster-f*** and the GOP conveniently passed all those bucks on to Mr. Obama, citing failing infrastructures and policies as solely his doing alone! I don't think Jesus Christ himself could have fixed the problems that good 'ol boy George left behind as he exited the Oval Office... Yet we all know that the Republican Propaganda Machine will spin that sh!t to their advantage and try to make Mittens seem like a prodigal son that has come for what is rightfully his... Politics is a bunch of BS, but unfortunately it is a required occupational hazard for those that have their hearts set on making this world a better place.
EP
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SLC HEAD said:
If he wins I will be VERY surprised...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19415745
SLC HEAD said:
Very true, yet I'd like to think that the political environment at that time was such that people from all sides were banding together and not wanting to disrupt the "progress" Georgey Porgey was making after the attacks of 9-11, rooting the world of Terrorist Entities while simultaneously stripping us of our privacy and freedom...
Did you watch the speech? I loved his passing reference to "Castro's tyranny". Seriously, what is it with America's paralyzing fear of the commies?!?
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Nah man, I can't watch that BS... I'd rather spend my time in my garden tending to my veggies and figure out the ins & outs on my own, without all the hype and filler. As far as the commies question, I assume that the idea that Communism is the mortal enemy of Democracy is a result of the Cold War days. Nuclear holocaust comes to mind, so maybe that is what is the driving force to that idea? I remember growing up and every day driving by the "Russian" complex which was where their inspectors stayed for like a decade. The inspectors were here to supervise the dismantling of war heads and such, so that was always in my mind as a kid.
Now a days it seems there is a swaying feeling that China is the new U.S.S.R, or at least on their way to be...
I'm sure other's have ideas on this or might have more clarity than I do, All I know is that the entire political system is broken and needs to be revamped...Corruption and Special Interest Groups(Religious Fanatics) are killing the ideal "American" idea imho.
and f*** a Pole, only thing they are good for is fishing and vaulting! 
EP
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I was thinking more along the lines of the historical American fear of Communism - pre Cold War, pre Vietnam, pre Castro, all the way back to McCarthy.
Seriously, what's the deal?
I take your point about tending to your garden and figuring things out for yourself, but the President of the USA effectively runs two thirds of this planet and that effects everyone, whether they like it or not. It's seriously disturbing to me that someone like Sh!tt Romney is neck and neck for this job...
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^^^^^^^Baahaaaa haaa 
And JK93 I DEF don't have an answer for you other than that Religious Fanaticism seems to be the culprit for most of our downfalls as Americans... Not to say that Religion is all evil and sh!t, but it creates a divide within communities and an "us against them" mentality imho. Where I live, I see it mainly with the LDS faithful or "Mormons" as the world calls them...
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19631430
Wa ha ha ha ha!
What a total, unbridled 8==O
Hopefully this will kill off his chances...
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Sigh... This is not good, The UK is having its own problems right now with the most right wing party to get into power since "She who shall not be named" and its supposedly a coalition? The lib dems are nothing more that tag alongs in a conservative goverment.
And Labour can get stuffed aswell, whats with this "Centralist" political stance? Lib Dems fought the centre ground for years and look where it got them. What we need is a party that represtents the workers in this country, unfortunatley, the right has a (successful) habit of appealing to "just enough" people to get into power, all the while screwing the majority up...
Politics is seriously getting my blood pressure up thats for sure.
Peace
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JK93 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19631430Wa ha ha ha ha!
What a total, unbridled 8==O
Hopefully this will kill off his chances...
He is too rich and self righteous, besides the fact that he is a complete flip-flopping moron... 
Hopefully you are right JK.
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Recently, my wife and I have just started watching the first season of "The Newsroom" (an HBO summer series)... It's got its share of problems as a show (romantic subplots, etc.), but it's got a lot of highlights. It's written by that Sorkin guy who wrote West Wing. Here's the opening scene, which is pretty f*ckin' great (and it's a far cry from Dumb and Dumber for Jeff Daniels) :
The main reason why I'm bring this up is that politics IMO is just turning into a mess the world over. It's no longer about proving your point or finding a compromise. It's about making sure you can score points with the lowest common denominator (the ignorant) or with the fattest wallets, and opposing your opponent means more than working with him. When corporations have legal teams that can use government codes against the government, and people can be shown actual hard facts and still deny their existence, and when some decides they'll be a president to half a country instead of everyone... We're beyond f*cked.
EP
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Read up on this stuff folks, the political divide was actually worse back in the day, as back in the day they shot you. It was never unicorns and sunset's in terms of both parties getting along, not now, but not ever.
We do need more than two political parties, because for most people, myself included, both parties get it wrong and right and decent share of times.
Also, Romney more extreme than Bush? I don't like either, but I just don't see it.
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Mud-slinging is as old as politics itself, definitely, and the endpoint of a disagreement could more readily end in bloodshed before, so I agree with the first part of what you said.
It just seems like the difference between then and now was risk-taking vs. being grounded. I feel like the conservatives of old were really all about being grounded and sticking with what works, whereas the liberal side of things was to take a big risk on something that could have a big benefit. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it bombed.
Also, the people who were elected were certainly never "getting along" on the campaign trail and in front of the cameras, but they at least sat down at the same table and tried to compromise on things when the time came for it. Now, it's all a game of chicken, and they seem to be taking it all personally. Some of the biggest radicals (on both sides) seriously think that the people on the other side of the aisle are actually evil. If they can stall someone out (even if it means destroying a piece of the country's structure: jobs, credit ratings, whatever), they jump on it.
I sorta play both sides... I try to be sensible, but I don't think that I need to become so disillusioned that I can't dream once in a while. And one of my dreams is that the American public will actually grow at some point to match the "immediate gratification" technology that we have now, and then become an informed society. But that isn't happening right now even remotely. Someone on one side can call certain rapes "legitimate", for instance, and get called out by the medical community at large, and STILL poll at least 20-30% support from his constituency. And the media will report it, but not actually call them out on it. That's downright scary.
The introduction of the uber-right-wing elements has changed everything. The Democrats are now the "conservatives" (as the term used to mean), the Republicans have been taken over by scared zealots who use hyperbole like oxygen, and there aren't even really any truly "liberal" risk-takers at all anymore in the mainstream parties.
So, the idea of a third party is definitely enticing, but with things as they are, it's just not practical. At least, it isn't on the presidential-election level; there isn't a speech or person alive today that would get enough people riled up to all vote on a third party. If you really want a legitimate third party to come up in this country, you need to do one of two things: 1) convince a currently elected president/senator/etc. to form a splinter party (probably not going to happen as long as so much money is involved), or 2) start a "grassroots" (*wince*, I HATE that word) campaign that gets a lot of people elected locally, and then slowly build up to the bigger positions.
The Tea Party almost did that second option, but they actually annexed the "Republican" brand for help as they were coming up, and pushed out the people who used to call that label home. Now, folks like Romney (who, you're right, isn't the devil incarnate) have to pander to those people, which makes him look really dangerous to liberals who HATE the fringe-politics that the Tea Party represents. I reject Romney's policies on reasonable grounds, and I wouldn't spew a gang of bullsh*t at him. Obama has done plenty that I dislike, but he's also started the ball rolling on a lot of other things that I wanted to see happen, so chances are, he's locked in my vote this time around. I know this is shallow, but I also like the class he's displayed under fire from all the bullsh*t coming his way.
I do have to wonder, though, if the pandering to the far-right is going to manifest itself in some policy decisions if Romney actually gets in. I don't think he cave in, but if he did, then yes, I'd think him "more dangerous than Bush"... but only then.
I wish there was a third party that really represented me, but Gary Johnson? Jill Stein? I just don't think their platforms are evolved enough, and they certainly don't have the support. Anyway, my two cents...
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