ill try and scan it over the weekend for yas all, but its full page write up about the P and the new album. worth a read.
though i have to say this months cover is Necro's PLR Movement, god damn awful!
posing with knifes and guns and sh!t. can believe that they actually think this is how hip hop should be repesented.
i mean if that how the represent then fine, but they need to wake the f*** up!! they are not killers and im sure they have never shot anybody. so whats the point?
i though the fast cars, guns n bitches phase was over.
obviously not
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Joined: Oct '08
Posts: 3,255Posted 17 years ago #I apologize in advance for the rant. If you don't agree with me, that's cool, but I'm just callin' it as I see it.
As long as there's radio, there will be that gun-totin', yayo-slangin', computer-generated, tweet-tweet-clap (c)rap jumpin' off. Stupid bitches. Can't kick the jb's rice-n-ribs funky stuff. Even up here in sactown, I see wannabes of all colors who are getting conditioned to think all that weak sh!t is cool.
For them, it ain't enuff to just kick it with a brew, play some video games, or start a family... sh!t makes me sick. I don't dig on dub/reggae as much as I used to, but bob marley said "lively up yourself," and he wasn't lyin'. And Peter Tosh callin himself a Steppin' Razor is about twelve times more believable and ominous as these cowards talking about AKs. -
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Posts: 195Posted 17 years ago #bro i totally agree with what your saying
for me, i didnt grow up in a city where people could get stabbed or shot, we just used fists and for most of the UK its been like this. these days you hear so much about kids getting stabbed, and their young too, some not even teenagers.
but now doubt to some there is a cool factor to owning a knife or a gun.
im not saying that there has never been shootings and stabbing in the uk before but is just more common now, almost every week.
im just saying that young kids in this country, just getting into hip hop, will see a gun/ knife welding mc on the cover and think its cool to do so. -
EP
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Posts: 291Posted 17 years ago #"For them, it ain't enuff to just kick it with a brew, play some video games, or start a family... "
not condoning anything here, but if all the music i listened to was about drinkin beers video games and family i'd shoot myself. theres room for all sort of content - the P is great, but whats wrong with mixing it up with Mobb Deep or something. People are acting like violence is not a part of hip-hop. Its woven into the fabric of everything from BDP to the Wu.
but yeah, necro sucks. -
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Posts: 3,255Posted 17 years ago #Naw, I completely understand, Alibi. I actually was listening to sh!t like Fatlip and Ugly Duckling non-stop for a few weeks and then had to scale back. Still like UD and the 'Lip, just sayin'. That's like pizza 3 meals a day for a week. Had to put some roughage in my music diet.
But I just feel like the old MCs that held a gun shot themselves in the foot (pardon the joke) on accident. I mean, I've got "Criminal Minded", but La Rock and KRS One were trying to use the gun as a symbol strength and unwielding force against what they felt was an environment that trapped them. The CIA dropped coke on the streets, the schools were weak. KRS was all about education, but the gun was a symbol that he was going to enforce that education any way he could. I felt like there was something behind it. He give his life for the streets, but that meant the life of his people. And even if you look at some early Busta Rhymes or whatever: it's about blowing you up with the beat or the raps. Nothing wrong with calling your music a weapon 'cause it's not gonna kill you. (If it could, that might be the way I'd go out)
but gangsta rap turned that all around. nowadays... I mean f***, there are bros that'd shoot you in the face for a car stereo that'd sell for ten dollars, or they'd saw your head off over a poor cut of coke. That's not strength, that's cowardice. Ego trippin', set trippin'... that's the downward spiral. People aren't using the gun as a symbol anymore, they're using it as a shield to hide behind. straight up. -
new cat
Joined: Oct '08
Posts: 21Posted 17 years ago #but yeah, necro sucks.[/quote]
You got that right mate . I just cannot believe the UK Hip Hop bible i grew up with and one of which i hold so dear has put not only Necro but his pathetic set of frankly laughable wannabe hardmen on the sacred front cover . Having watched their side splitting interview on UGHH.COM i thought no one would take them seriously for a second but it seems there are suckers born every second . How anyone can take Sean Strange serious is beyond me cause i find him hilarous -
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Posts: 584Posted 17 years ago #When i was a kid HHC was always the place to go for good reviews (DJ Greenpeace) and informative articles on groups....then everywhere in my town just stopped stocking it and to be honest i was a little gutted as i also used to buy my tapes from one of the mail order companies (ahh tapes). But when a few years later a noticed a copy of it in Tesco's i brought it and it was shocking!!! Just shows you how the mainstream has infested all the good this culture had/has. I just want to listen to and read about good Hip Hop and not gun slinging fools who cannot say a verse and hook-up a good beat.....is it too much to ask people....is?? -
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Posts: 195Posted 17 years ago #in the heat of the moment.. for what it was worth, i email the editor of HHC and expressed my opinion. no reply.
my only problem with it is that, sh!t like this is so infectious and influential on children in the UK.
i saddens me to think that they will miss a lot of hip hop history and culture because they may not consider it to be important or relevant to them, with todays fashionable gun/knife welding rappers -
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Joined: Jun '08
Posts: 1,874Posted 17 years ago #I like the way that the song "shallow days" by blackalicious deals with the issue of gangster rap.
Time and time, a brother asks why
The rhyme is not laced with a gangsta touch
I said "Simply because I don't live that way
Still kickin' them rhymes rugged and rough"
"But that won't sell,
cause you gotta keep it real
so that we can feel
where you're coming from
Because these streets is ill so if you ain't
killing niggas in rhymes
your whole sound's just bubble gum"
I said "I won't contribute to genocide;
I'd rather try to cultivate the inner side
and try to evolve the frustrated ghetto mind
The devil and his army never been a friend of mine"
"But niggas don't wanna hear that sh!t" said the brother
Who was obviously totally misled and yelled out
"murder murder, kill, murder" instilled in the influential walks
Of our kids' heads.
I said "Don't you know the powers that be
are using people as pawns, devouring we
until they see us all gone and outta the scene"
And as I passed the chronic, he said "look at where I be,
I tried to get a job for real,
but all the homies (hit licks?) and rob and steal
and keep fat pockets caught in a rut to catch ground
this way's in, plus who could you trust?"
I said "I'm all about protecting mine,
but neglecting minds for getting left behind.
Why don't you change your environment?"
He said "This is all I know,
plus my fam's all that I got, I can't go"
I said "You gotta make it for the fams"
"Damn," he said "I didn't make the ghetto,
The ghetto made the man"
I said "You're more than just that,"
Shook his hand, said "Damn, you gotta find a way
To break the devil's master plan, peace"
The word "peace" is just an expression
Used to say bye when it's time to jet
And them red black and green medallions
Was all just part of the trend, I guess
Hardly ever them around brothers' necks no more
Instead of that gold (gats ?)
Inspiring gangstas and macks
Who at the young age of four
Be seeing more drama than war veterans
Instead of learning God's laws
And hip-hop is ((all the ways ?) till we enlist that ??)
To express how we be feeling about this and that
But music does reflect life
And kids look up to what you're portraying
And mimic what you act like
It's time for a new day
An era in rap, conscious styles,
Makin' them aware of the happenings
But their ears seem more steered towards
Self-annihilation so then they might laugh
And write this off, like I'm out here just
Blowing wind, maybe label us soft or unreal,
Something they just can't feel, while they yell
"murder murder murder, kill kill kill"
your right though mark, this is more important now than ever, because a lot of kids don't know and will never know that there is another side to hip hop thats not glamourisation of guns, violence, crime and mysogeny. So many people i know write off the whole genre because this is the highest profile of hip hop for some reason. Probably because its the most easily marketable to middle class suburban kids. -
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Posts: 3,255Posted 17 years ago #Damn, dodo, that's insane... I was just listening to "Shallow Days" walking from the bus to work this morning. It's probably my all time favorite conscious-style, positive-tip hip-hop track.
I think the line you had trouble with was: "And hip hop is our voice, so we enlist that"
But yeah. Chief Xcel and Gab are dope as hell... when I'm not bangin out the P, of course.
I'll just keep movin' on... movin' on... -
The Architect
Joined: Feb '05
Posts: 3,618Posted 17 years ago #there is a dope documentary called "Hip Hop Beyond Beats & Rhymes" that goes into a lot of depth on thie issue.
the necro CD with this month's HHC is listenable though and I won't lie, it does have some good tunes on there. But seeing a 12 page (!) spread with him and his crew brandishing hunting knifes, machetes, uzis etc etc is pretty sickening.
The P mini-article is cool though and Greenpeace was raving about the album but no Fun DMC review...? -
new cat
Joined: Oct '08
Posts: 5Posted 17 years ago #Has anybody here actually listened to Necro before? He is hilarious (in small doses). Admittedly, I haven't listen to him or any of his cronies in a few years. He is a good producer, check out this classic:
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