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1. SactownConnection
   

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   Posted 16 years ago #

   jay said:

   trenchmc said: Has taking shrooms/LSD really helped anyone's perception?

   
   
   I'm not saying you're thinking of it but in general I don't think people should take psychedelics in an attempt to change their perceptions. The majority of people will take drugs such as these and have enjoyable experiences and perhaps they may even change their perception and influence their lives for better but for some it can be quite disastrous. Not trying to be a killjoy but be very careful.
   So before you take them make sure you've researched them and that you are in good mental and physical health. There are many natural ways to change your perception that in the long run will be of more benefit..such as meditation, yoga. From personal experience taking psychedelics pretty much just showed me what I already knew but just made me feel it more directly. Anyway I haven't taken anything in over a year including alcohol or cigarettes and don't think I will again because theres only a certain amount you can learn from them. Anyway, rant over..read a book or meditate because taking hallucinogens may not be worth the risk!

   I wish I knew the deal with meditation. For me it's so hit or miss. Sometimes, I can almost trance myself just by sitting in a quiet room, and I snap out of it like an hour later SUPERrelaxed.
   
   Other times, I just feel like I'm wasting my time, I can't meditate to that calm level. Maybe the brain's just going too fast.
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2. SactownConnection
   

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   Posted 16 years ago #

   Xellerated said:
   

   SactownConnection said: this is sorta off topic, but all the drug talk had me thinking about it, 'cause it's too trippy: anyone here ever seen any bill plympton cartoons? that sh*t's the best. here's a small sample (not his best work):
   

   OMFG SACTOWN. Im cracking the f*** up....

   The deep kiss/french kiss were some of the funniest sh!t ive ever seen!!

   Haha, glad you like it... if you get a chance, try to find the short "Your Face", where a guy is singing and all this crazy sh*t is happening to his face while he's singing. It's a classic piece of animation. They used to show it on MTV back during the Yo! MTV Raps and The Grind periods and all that.

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3. SactownConnection
   

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   Posted 16 years ago #

   But to get deep again, I want y'all to tell me about life after death. My fiancee and I got into this huge discussion like 5 1/2 years ago (yeah, we've been together 6 years, she wanted to wait 'til we were stable), and she swears that we just turn off... like what happens when you get knocked out for surgery, but just... forever... like we're essentially biocomputers, and you wouldn't say a computer "exists" if you turn it off, take out the components and smash them... so would we cease to "exist" even in spirit when we decompose?
   
   I sorta feel the same way, that there may be no spirit, but it's hard for me to wrap my head around that. Like... take away my memory (no past), take away all five of my senses (no input), take away my intelligent synthesis of thought (no development), and is there anything left? I still feel like there might be. It's like Plato's cave and all that. How do I even know I'm seeing everything right now. Maybe there's a lot more that I just don't factor in 'cause I can't fathom it.
   
   Do inanimate objects have a soul? Do we reincarnate? Heaven? Hell? Divine light? Three-headed Satans?
   
   What's up wit' that? get blunted and hit me back.

4. mambo7891
   

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   Posted 16 years ago #

   hey jay, completley agree with u. jus a final note on "getting high" went to this huge dance festival here in UK, went to see my favourite trance DJ (armin van buuren) completley sober, anyways he plays this track and i just remember completley spacing out, eyes closed feeling the most euphoric and happy feeling ever. it was almost out of body,after we left the tent my mate turns to me and says i had my eyes closed for bou 15mins while i was dancing. that is the highest i have ever been and it was sober, drugs can help but also a hinderance, like the fct u gave up sh!t dont know if i cud give up cigarettes tho, alcohol probs wudnt bother me but tea and cigarettes form a staple of my diet. lol.
   
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5. mambo7891
   

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   Posted 16 years ago #

   SactownConnection said: But to get deep again, I want y'all to tell me about life after death. My fiancee and I got into this huge discussion like 5 1/2 years ago (yeah, we've been together 6 years, she wanted to wait 'til we were stable), and she swears that we just turn off... like what happens when you get knocked out for surgery, but just... forever... like we're essentially biocomputers, and you wouldn't say a computer "exists" if you turn it off, take out the components and smash them... so would we cease to "exist" even in spirit when we decompose?
   
   I sorta feel the same way, that there may be no spirit, but it's hard for me to wrap my head around that. Like... take away my memory (no past), take away all five of my senses (no input), take away my intelligent synthesis of thought (no development), and is there anything left? I still feel like there might be. It's like Plato's cave and all that. How do I even know I'm seeing everything right now. Maybe there's a lot more that I just don't factor in 'cause I can't fathom it.
   
   Do inanimate objects have a soul? Do we reincarnate? Heaven? Hell? Divine light? Three-headed Satans?
   
   What's up wit' that? get blunted and hit me back.

   
   
   I would jus like to start by saying im not religious in any way, im not against religion (as long as your religion doesnt harm others) and im open to anything, but i have always belived in a person having a soul, i dont like the idea that all my decisions and personality traits are chemical reactions, i think that our bodys are just vehicles for learning on earth so that when we pass on our souls go somewhere (not heaven or anywhere to be judged, even if you are a vile human being) maybe inhabit another body in another universe, somwhere where religion,sex, wealth, etc, just doesnt matter and we become concious of eachother andtreat eachother like parts of an organism, we rely on eachother. sorta like communism but it works. lol.
   
   what u think? i cant really explain my feelings that well, but i jus think theres more to being than this sh!t we call life, armed to the teeth and paranoid. we should share inner space and explore outter space. together.
   
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6. mambo7891
   

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   Posted 16 years ago #

   Prehaps recent threads have alienated people, getting a little tripped out. lol. jus thought of a question tha shud get yall thinking...
   
   We live in the modern age, more advanced than our predecessors right, but whats actually so modern about it? What i mean is, sure we have iphones, and super bombs and films in HD 3D, but when u take away the shiny coat. modern society aint that modern, hell were quite primitive.
   
   Take racism as a prime example, its 2010, new millenium, can watch porn wherever you are in the world, yet your skin colour still has the ability to make people judge you. surley, another example is nationalism (is that the right word) we still resent people from other countries, we still care that we won the war, SH!T, winning wars aint something to be proud of, war is sad.
   
   Hopfully, you all get what i mean, any opinions?
   
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7. trenchmc
   

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   Posted 16 years ago #

   mambo7891 said: Prehaps recent threads have alienated people, getting a little tripped out. lol. jus thought of a question tha shud get yall thinking...
   
   We live in the modern age, more advanced than our predecessors right, but whats actually so modern about it? What i mean is, sure we have iphones, and super bombs and films in HD 3D, but when u take away the shiny coat. modern society aint that modern, hell were quite primitive.
   
   Take racism as a prime example, its 2010, new millenium, can watch porn wherever you are in the world, yet your skin colour still has the ability to make people judge you. surley, another example is nationalism (is that the right word) we still resent people from other countries, we still care that we won the war, SH!T, winning wars aint something to be proud of, war is sad.
   
   Hopfully, you all get what i mean, any opinions?
   
   peace

   
   
   The same sh!t happens to humanity over and over, just to a different degree. History doesn't repeat itself, people repeat history. People are people and that's that, some feelings are so instinctual and universal and pervasive that no amount of 4G technology can shake it. Feel me? We still need to eat, love, listen to music, enjoy life. Some things just never change.

8. Xellerated
   

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   Posted 16 years ago #

   Agreed my fellow PUTSians.
   
   The only thing "modern" about our age is the year. Other than that, we are still the hungry, sweaty, and selfish homo sapiens that millions of years of evolution designed us to be.
   
   Hey, but that doesn't mean we cant care for one another, or be good people, right?
   
   Guys, let me ask you this question:
   
   Do humans have free will?
   Do you think that if we had the technology, we could zoom in and see every single chemical reaction happening, and neuron firing, and enzyme extracting to cause happiness? or sadness? or any other emotion/feeling/thought?

9. SactownConnection
   

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   Posted 16 years ago #

   Xellerated said: Agreed my fellow PUTSians.
   
   The only thing "modern" about our age is the year. Other than that, we are still the hungry, sweaty, and selfish homo sapiens that millions of years of evolution designed us to be.
   
   Hey, but that doesn't mean we cant care for one another, or be good people, right?
   
   Guys, let me ask you this question:
   
   Do humans have free will?
   Do you think that if we had the technology, we could zoom in and see every single chemical reaction happening, and neuron firing, and enzyme extracting to cause happiness? or sadness? or any other emotion/feeling/thought?

   Maybe it would be interesting to pose it this way: would you rather live as if you DIDN'T have free will, and then find out at the end that you did, or vice versa? I think I'd rather act like I did... but if we're all just caught up in an endless, pre-determined cause-and-effect circle jerk, then oh well... at least I deluded myself into having a good time!

10. mambo7891
    

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    Posted 16 years ago #

    im a little confused by the question, maybe im jus not seeing it right? r u saying do i believe in fate? that we have control over our actions, or u saying that all our reactions are nothing but a chemical, pre determined reaction?
    
    apologies. please explain.

11. trenchmc
    

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    Posted 16 years ago #

    Simple. From a purely scientific aspect we do not have free will. If we really wanted to do anything we wanted ever, we'd be flying and breathing fire and blowing sh!t up with our minds (at least I would). But we can't, we're limited because of the chemical process that happen within our brain and our body. There's a limit to how fast they can go, how quickly impulses can spread throughout the body etc. That makes free will simply impossible.
    
    Side note, even if we had free will. We are so governed by our upbringing and societal norms that from a more philosophical stand point, free will would be impossible.

12. mambo7891
    

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    Posted 16 years ago #

    trenchmc said: Simple. From a purely scientific aspect we do not have free will. If we really wanted to do anything we wanted ever, we'd be flying and breathing fire and blowing sh!t up with our minds (at least I would). But we can't, we're limited because of the chemical process that happen within our brain and our body. There's a limit to how fast they can go, how quickly impulses can spread throughout the body etc. That makes free will simply impossible.
    
    Side note, even if we had free will. We are so governed by our upbringing and societal norms that from a more philosophical stand point, free will would be impossible.

    
    
    But can we change???? are we forever governed by a chemical reaction, or can we change ourselves to do things differently? im sure were still evolving as a race (as are all species) so maybe breathing fire wont happen, but getting two extra thumbs? im sure, over time, we will evolve.

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    Posted 16 years ago #

    So atoms are tiny tiny tiny things...
    
    But what makes them stick together to make like a piece of wood? For example.
    We can only see and feel the finished product... but what makes them a solid object (to us) but its full of space?
    
    What makes the finished product a certain colour?
    
    In the grand size scale of things where are we at...
    
    Atom..........|..........The Universe
    
    Where do we fit in?
    Are we tiny or "average" or even big for a life form?
    
    Could there be planets or even moons the size of our Solar System?
    
    Do Solar systems orbit around a point like planets around a star?
    Like all the solar systems in a galaxy rotating around a point?
    
    Do galaxies orbit as well something even greater?
    
    They seem to form in swirls which could suggest they spin or did spin pehaps when they formed?
    
    Does gravity hold galaxies together?
    If so where is the main source of mass which holds it together?
    
    Do seperate atoms travel through space joining other atoms?
    
    The suns gravity holds debris around the outside of our solar system, is it a ring or a sphere of debris? Like a bubble around us?
    
    
    
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14. east wittering?
    

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    Posted 16 years ago #

    Loudwon said: So atoms are tiny tiny tiny things...
    
    But what makes them stick together to make like a piece of wood? For example.

    
    
    Electromagnetism
    
    

    We can only see and feel the finished product... but what makes them a solid object (to us) but its full of space?

    
    
    Distance from the atoms to our eyes and the fidelity of our vision.
    
    

    What makes the finished product a certain colour?

    
    
    Differing absorption and reflection of the various light wavelengths.
    
    

    In the grand size scale of things where are we at...
    
    Atom..........|..........The Universe
    
    Where do we fit in?
    Are we tiny or "average" or even big for a life form?

    
    
    We are both big and small, depending on which end of your scale we are looking at.
    
    

    Could there be planets or even moons the size of our Solar System?

    
    
    Not likely, no. For perspective, VY Canis Majoris is the largest known star, its radius is between 2.5 and 2.9 billion kilometres (1.5-18 billion miles). Our solar system is approximately 11 billion kilometres.
    
    
    

    Do Solar systems orbit around a point like planets around a star?
    Like all the solar systems in a galaxy rotating around a point?

    
    
    In a spiral galaxy like we're in, yes they do rotate.
    
    

    Do galaxies orbit as well something even greater?

    
    
    In a round about way, sort of. Look up Superclusters.
    
    

    They seem to form in swirls which could suggest they spin or did spin pehaps when they formed?

    
    
    Have a look at spiral galaxies on wikipedia or google 'star formation by density waves'.
    
    

    Does gravity hold galaxies together?

    
    
    Yes.
    
    

    If so where is the main source of mass which holds it together?

    
    
    The current hypothesis is that of a supermassive black hole at the centre of every galaxy.
    
    

    Do seperate atoms travel through space joining other atoms?

    
    
    Separate atoms of what, exactly?
    
    

    The suns gravity holds debris around the outside of our solar system, is it a ring or a sphere of debris? Like a bubble around us?

    
    
    You're going to have to clarify what you mean here. There is no definite 'edge' to the suns gravitational effect, if that helps.

15. you smoke dodo?
    

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    Posted 16 years ago #

    Well played east wittering...

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