Hey ya'll....Got something I've always been a bit curious about. It's probably even been asked before.
The samples in some of these songs, they can be quite blatant. "San Francisco Knights" is obviously The Animals, "Slow Bullet" is clearly off of the bob james album "one on one", no pitch change or anything. And then you got all their TV and movie sh!t like the Cosby show and Al Hendrix. These are just a couple of examples.
My question is, do they contact these publishing and PR organizations to gain permission to use these samples? If so, what does that entail as far as financial gain and negotiations? On the contrary, were PUTS just so far off the radar during "The Next Step" and "?ITFOAA" that they weren't really worried about being called out? Thes is usually quite good at masking his samples and flipping them into totally different sh!t, but sometimes it's a direct sample.
Anyone with a little 411 on this, drop some knowledge.
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Posts: 59Posted 16 years ago # -
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Posts: 59Posted 16 years ago #thanks bro, i had found that thread just as you sent it to me. -
P fan #1
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Posts: 3,255Posted 16 years ago #SLC HEAD said: your answer is here
Thanks for the linkage. Yet another thread I'm glad to have read. It sounds like sample clearing isn't as big of a deal as I originally thought (in many cases)... I'm such a noob. That story about Hang Loose reminds me how much I hate intellectual property laws. How can you buy and own a piece of music you didn't even make and then keep the people who DID make it from seeing any royalties? Sorta back-asswards. -
EP
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Posts: 262Posted 16 years ago #I'm almost of two minds on this. I love sampling and I love loop-based music, but I kinda agree that people like Kanye should have to pay for taking something as well know as Mayfield's Move On Up or Diamonds Are Forever and basically just rapping over an already well-known record. That's not sampling, it's cheating. Of course, one could make the same argument for some classic tunes, like the Beasties' Root Down....
That raises the question of where we draw the line. Most of the time, PUTS will chop and/or filter samples to the point where they've (re)created something new entirely. This is what great sampling is all about. But if you take Hang Loose or Fishbucket (which was basically Thes and KK rapping over an Olympic Runners record), they've kinda taken the easy road.
Don't get me wrong, I love both those tunes, but I also think they tread the line between creative sampling and straight jackin' a bit too closely.
Alas, the bottom line is still the simple fact that, if PUTS did pay royalties, the artists themselves would get jack sh!t, and this is what should be addressed.
Outlaw for life? No.
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Posts: 27Posted 15 years ago #Hey guys. Just wondering if anyone knows the disco sounding sample in "Fredly advice" around 1:21.
Thanks
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Posts: 59Posted 14 years ago #amen DJ Alibi, gold star for you
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LP
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Posts: 394Posted 14 years ago #This is something i have been wondering about constantly for a while....very good to read this thread and get Thes' take. I had been wondering how in the world they cleared even the samples contained sometimes in a single song, let alone an album. I took some copyright law classes in school, but it was never very topical to hip hop, especially this type (which contains many many samples instead of a say 1). Also, the issue of how many records you're selling and how that will effect whether you get noticed was definitely something I wanted to know about.
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The Architect
Joined: Feb '05
Posts: 3,618Posted 14 years ago #they have cleared some samples in the past, interesting to know how many though. Funny, I think Thes mentioned for Highlighter they started using more 'obvious' samples because they're putting it out independently, they don't even care any more. Just use whatever!
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new cat
Joined: Jul '11
Posts: 13Posted 14 years ago #I always make a point to sample sh!t that no one would ever recognize. I usually give everything I make away for free so I probably wouldn't get sued anyways but part of being a crate digger is finding that sh!t that no one else has found. Not to mention, if no one else can find it or recognize it, no one can bite it!
I'm lucky to live in LA because we have Amoeba, Record Recycler, As The Record Turns and a bunch of other dope spots to buy vinyl. Occasionally i find sh!t on craigslist too. Some lady in Hollywood was giving away a bunch of old records from Czechoslovakia, Turkey, Russia and a few other countries on craigslist. Best believe I snatched those up!
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