I'd worked my way through these over the last few weeks...and will now obviously listen to them all again in tribute.
Pure class - does it get any better? (P aside):
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Posts: 3,618Posted 10 years ago #agree with what you guys said about the doc - it was great but the 'rift' within the group felt sad... likewise with the Dilla releases. His vocal album 'The Diary' is being released now on Nas' record label. Allegedly it was completed but not released by the label at the time, so will be interesting to see how it matches up to his other works.
Dillatronic had one incredible beat I loved. They are sketches in a way but still glad to hear them.
Time to give some new producers some shine though?...
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Posts: 577Posted 10 years ago #^^ That Dilla 'Diary' album isn't anything to write home about either. In fact it's the same "major label record" 'Pay Jay' that has been floating around and bootlegged a couple of times since the advance promos in the early 2000s...
BTT I was kinda appalled to see people already attempting to cash in on Phife's passing by selling his Groove Attack-published solo album for crazy amounts.
That's just such a low thing to do IMO. Whoever spends big money on it is really gonna be disappointed, too: that album was ~3-5 bucks a week ago and it's average at best - not even on the same scale as Tribe...
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Posts: 300Posted 10 years ago #It was weird. Tribe is my all-time number 1 favorite ever. But had been in a lull and hadn't listened to them much in a while, then for no reason the night before phife died I listened to Midnight Marauders and some of Tribe Vibes. Trippy.
His death really hit me, as much as it can for someone I didn't actually know. I always dug his rhymes more than q-tip's (no diss to q-tip), and when rapping along I always do his parts. Butter is the only rap song I can do all the way thru (or used to, I'm a little rusty at the moment), and that was the song that solidified my fandom. It was great to hear a lot of the tributes though, the Atlanta traffic guy was cool, and the local old school station did a real cool hour-long mix, including this freestyle:
Totally agree about Dilla. For me his best stuff by far was with Tribe, Slum Village, and Common. I like him a lot more when he's producing for someone else rather than doing solo sh!t. Personally, I think donuts is overrated. Hopefully, people don't do a bunch of new sh!t with old phife sh!t cuz twelve is right, it won't be that good.
As for the documentary, I really enjoyed it and need to watch it again now. Totally get if you wanted to see more about their craft, but I think Rappaport fairly captured both their personalities. The best moment is when q-tip is blowing up at the end and you just see ali shaheed rolling his eyes in the background.
I was at that show where they blow up at each other (I grew up down the street from the venue), there was a very weird vibe that didn't make sense until seeing the documentary. According to the doc, phife, because of his health, didn't want to do the accapella version of Jazz and was mad at tip for pushing him to do it. So they blow up at each other before the show, and what does q-tip do after the third or fourth song? Calls out to do the accapella version of Jazz. What a dick. Ali refuses to do it by not playing the old version that segways into the accapella part, and every one just sits there for 5 or so minutes while they have a stair off - I don't think phife was even on stage at the time. They end up playing the album version (q-tip may even have done it himself, I don't remember), then they all decide to do the acapella version, then they do the album version again. They played Jazz three full times through. Not complaining because Jazz is one of my favorites, but that was weird. I think phife had to go off stage after that, and q-tip did some songs without him like Bonita Applebum and Footprints.
The biggest bullshizzle part that doesn't come through in the documentary is where q-tip is yelling that he's doing this whole tour for phife and his medical bills. Calling shenanigans on that right now. That tour was right before The Rennaissance came out, and q-tip was promoting the f*** out of it. Posters and flyers and t-shirts for it everywhere. He even did a short solo set with never before heard stuff from the album before tribe came on (which was actually really cool - one of the better sets of the night). So the idea that he was doing this for phife's benefit alone is ridiculous. All of this is to say that I definitely understand why they broke up, and after seeing the documentary I never expected them to get back together.
Apparently all three got together to do 1 or 2 songs for q-tip's The Last Zulu (if it ever comes out), so I'm interested to hear how that turns out.
I've also decided that Midnight Marauders is the greatest album of all time. Not just rap album, but greatest album ever! f*** the beatles!
I also think BR&L might be better than Low End Theory, but that's a tough call. And The [Last] Movement I think is right up there, it's highly highly highly underrated.
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Posts: 577Posted 10 years ago #De La Tribe said:
I was at that show where they blow up at each other (I grew up down the street from the venue), there was a very weird vibe that didn't make sense until seeing the documentary. According to the doc, phife, because of his health, didn't want to do the accapella version of Jazz and was mad at tip for pushing him to do it. So they blow up at each other before the show, and what does q-tip do after the third or fourth song? Calls out to do the accapella version of Jazz. What a dick. Ali refuses to do it by not playing the old version that segways into the accapella part, and every one just sits there for 5 or so minutes while they have a stair off - I don't think phife was even on stage at the time. They end up playing the album version (q-tip may even have done it himself, I don't remember), then they all decide to do the acapella version, then they do the album version again. They played Jazz three full times through. Not complaining because Jazz is one of my favorites, but that was weird. I think phife had to go off stage after that, and q-tip did some songs without him like Bonita Applebum and Footprints.Really enjoyed this story ^^. Always great hearing additional POVs and angles to a situation to get a more complete picture.
De La Tribe said:
The biggest bullshizzle part that doesn't come through in the documentary is where q-tip is yelling that he's doing this whole tour for phife and his medical bills. Calling shenanigans on that right now. That tour was right before The Rennaissance came out, and q-tip was promoting the f*** out of it. Posters and flyers and t-shirts for it everywhere. He even did a short solo set with never before heard stuff from the album before tribe came on (which was actually really cool - one of the better sets of the night). So the idea that he was doing this for phife's benefit alone is ridiculous. All of this is to say that I definitely understand why they broke up, and after seeing the documentary I never expected them to get back together.Yeah, that struck me as completely overblown and self-righteous on Tip's part as well:
He may have agreed to accept the show offer(s) to help Malik pay his medical bills, but I'm sure he was handsomely rewarded for those gigs as well. Having the opportunity to promote his new album would've just been more icing on the cake...
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